Or ... it's already resolved itself.Mathew5000 wrote:In principle one of the mods should PM each of the accused accounts with a link to this thread saying "in case you aren't aware, you're being accused of cheating here". Of course it's likely that "they" are already aware, but we should forestall one of them coming back after a final ruling, and saying "I never even knew this discussion was taking place."econgator wrote:If they want to respond, they can respond. No invitation required.Vanya wrote:Has anyone PMed the accounts in question, given them a chance to respond?
Cheating on Think Different
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You guys do realize that esrever - if that in fact is his name - just fessed up in another thread?
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It was more of an estimation than an exact calculationVanya wrote:I'm curious how you calculate these odds (not doubting you, just curious).Caboom wrote:
Results for td 181: 5 people, 12 questions, 0 repeated answers among the accounts. Odds: astronomical.
But here's how I would calculate them:
number of possible answers per question: 10, 19, 23, 9, 10, 11, 10, 16, 11, 10, 13, 12
Probability of 5 people all choosing different answers (with the assumption each choice would be as likely for each person; obviously in reality everybody wouldn't know every answer, therefore making it less likely for people to choose hard answers, increasing the probability of repeated answers):
[(10/10)x(9/10)x(8/10)x(7x10)x(6/10)]x[(19/19)x(18/19)x(17/19)x(16/19)x(15/19)]x[(23/23)x(22/23)x(21/23)x(20/23)x(19/23)]x[(9/9)x(8/9)x(7/9)x(6/9)x(5/9)]x[(10/10)x(9/10)x(8/10)x(7x10)x(6/10)]x[(11/11)x(10/11)x(9/11)x(8x11)x(7/11)]x[(10/10)x(9/10)x(8/10)x(7x10)x(6/10)]x[(16/16)x(15/16)x(14/16)x(13x16)x(12/16)]x[(11/11)x(10/11)x(9/11)x(8x11)x(7/11)]x[(10/10)x(9/10)x(8/10)x(7x10)x(6/10)]x[(13/13)x(12/13)x(11/13)x(10x13)x(9/13)]x[(12/12)x(11/12)x(10/12)x(9x12)x(8/12)] = 0,0000071240288 = 1/140 370
That's with just 5 people. If we wanna see the odds of td186, with 11 people choosing 11 different answers 11 times in a row, we would get a result of 4,01974028e-43 = 1 / 2 487 722 910 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000. I'd say that's close enough to astronomical.
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I cannot imagine a more worthless exercise.
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Doing this with 16 accounts?MDaunt wrote:I cannot imagine a more worthless exercise.
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Is it possible he is having us on? I don't know who to believe anymore.Austin Powers wrote:You guys do realize that esrever - if that in fact is his name - just fessed up in another thread?
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For the first (and probably last) time in my life, I find myself in total agreement with Vanya.Vanya wrote:Is it possible he is having us on? I don't know who to believe anymore.
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I bow down to goforthetie and Caboom for their detective work. I am a real math guy and could not do said work.
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Which one?Austin Powers wrote:You guys do realize that esrever - if that in fact is his name - just fessed up in another thread?
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Apology from esrever, I'm the cheatergamawire wrote:Which one?Austin Powers wrote:You guys do realize that esrever - if that in fact is his name - just fessed up in another thread?
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Thanks - don't know how I missed it when I was looking.dhkendall wrote:Apology from esrever, I'm the cheatergamawire wrote:Which one?Austin Powers wrote:You guys do realize that esrever - if that in fact is his name - just fessed up in another thread?
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And this is why I love AP.Austin Powers wrote:Great work, everyone! Let's move to the public shaming portion of the proceedings.
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More of a Reuters or BBC fan myself.Rex Kramer wrote:And this is why I love AP.Austin Powers wrote:Great work, everyone! Let's move to the public shaming portion of the proceedings.
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*like*Volante wrote:More of a Reuters or BBC fan myself.Rex Kramer wrote:And this is why I love AP.Austin Powers wrote:Great work, everyone! Let's move to the public shaming portion of the proceedings.
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I could do it, but I'm too lazy. Moral of all my TD entries.dhkendall wrote:Moral of the story, don't mess with smart people, they will find you out!
(And this place is full of smart people. All I know is I couldn't do the detective work that was done here. Really, they chose to cheat in a place with tons of Jeopardy champions and a collective IQ of a googol? (5,729 if you don't count AP.))
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No, I think I have you by just a little bit.nightreign wrote:*like*Volante wrote:More of a Reuters or BBC fan myself.Rex Kramer wrote:And this is why I love AP.Austin Powers wrote:Great work, everyone! Let's move to the public shaming portion of the proceedings.
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Edit: and I may be the youngest boardie now. Huh.
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With all the rescorings going on of past TDs, at least one thing is painfully obvious to me: no one, in a million years, will ever accuse me of cheating.
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J'accuse!dhkendall wrote:With all the rescorings going on of past TDs, at least one thing is painfully obvious to me: no one, in a million years, will ever accuse me of cheating.
(I just wanted to say that. )
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I don't really want to re-score my recent TD (196), but I just looked, and the top 10 spots went to the fake accounts (I had noticed some really good answers that seemed a little suspicious), and there were no duplicate answers in mine either. So I now declare Paucle the winner since he came in 11th. Retro congrats!
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I know that this is a little late, but shouldn't we remove the fake accounts from FJ! polls? Do the mods have the power to undo their votes?