SHC Round 2 Instant Replay Thread [SPOILERS]
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Re: SHC Round 2 Instant Replay Thread [SPOILERS]
I too supplied outseam, for the simple expedient of my being sure that what was described wasn't the inseam. Toyed a while with simply supplying seam, but decided that that was asking for trouble. I'll be interested to hear what DoT was actually looking for there.
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Re: SHC Round 2 Instant Replay Thread [SPOILERS]
I did exactly the same. I knew it wasn't inseam. I'd never actually heard of outseam, but I thought it made sense.Woof wrote:I too supplied outseam, for the simple expedient of my being sure that what was described wasn't the inseam. Toyed a while with simply supplying seam, but decided that that was asking for trouble. I'll be interested to hear what DoT was actually looking for there.
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QFT. Except let's spell it correctly: Coeur d'Alene. I have a sister living there, you know.jeff6286 wrote:I wanted to point out that this question, as written, has no correct answer. Couer D'Alene is not the second-largest city in Idaho. According to the 2010 Census, the top 5 cities in Idaho are Boise, Nampa, Meridian, Idaho Falls, and Pocatello, with populations of 205K, 81K, 75K, 56K, 54K. I assume that Couer D'Alene is probably 6th or 7th, but I couldn't find a definitive 2010 list other than the top 5. Couer D'Alene's metropolitan area is the second largest in the state, so that was what the question should have asked for.4: With just over 44,000 people, Couer d'Alene is the second-largest city in this U. S. state.
I also have a mild beef with the 2-point question in that round. It talks about the "underground" River Walk that obviously belongs to San Antonio. Except the San Antonio River Walk is entirely above ground. It just happens to be at the level of the river banks, which are 10 to 12 feet below street level. The river is generally not that deep but it's in a distinct natural gorge that runs through much of the city.
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Re: SHC Round 2 Instant Replay Thread [SPOILERS]
Great movie. Short of having actual knowledge of Idaho, I think having a cognitive link to some aspect of life in the state through either Smoke Signals or Napoleon Dynamite is fairly noble.cinemaniax7 wrote:I know Coeur d'Alene from—what else?—a movie. The Coeur d'Alene reservation is featured in the independent film Smoke Signals, which is based on a story by Native American author Sherman Alexie.
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Re: SHC Round 2 Instant Replay Thread [SPOILERS]
Conversely, if "outseam" (a word that I, like many others here, have never heard of) was the intended answer, it ended up tricking a lot of people here, which I'm sure wasn't DoT's intention for a 6-point clue. For that reason, perhaps a replacement question would be warranted for those of us who answered "inseam."Woof wrote:I too supplied outseam, for the simple expedient of my being sure that what was described wasn't the inseam. Toyed a while with simply supplying seam, but decided that that was asking for trouble. I'll be interested to hear what DoT was actually looking for there.
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We don't know yet what DoT was going for, but I think most of you that said "inseam" just didn't read the clue carefully. The clue shouldn't be tossed for that.
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Re: SHC Round 2 Instant Replay Thread [SPOILERS]
I wouldn't make that assumption. As far as I know, there isn't an "outseam." When I read the question, I thought it sounded funny, not like an inseam exactly. I considered putting "seam" but that didn't seem right either. Anyway, with this crowd, I wouldn't be assuming that everyone just didn't read the question closely enough. From the comments, lots of confusion here regardless of what people ended up putting.
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Still, the clue definitely does not describe an inseam, whether or not there's such a word as "outseam."Suze wrote:I wouldn't make that assumption. As far as I know, there isn't an "outseam." When I read the question, I thought it sounded funny, not like an inseam exactly. I considered putting "seam" but that didn't seem right either. Anyway, with this crowd, I wouldn't be assuming that everyone just didn't read the question closely enough. From the comments, lots of confusion here regardless of what people ended up putting.
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Re: SHC Round 2 Instant Replay Thread [SPOILERS]
This discussion of inseam reminds me of that Friends episode. "That's not how they do it?"
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Re: SHC Round 2 Instant Replay Thread [SPOILERS]
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"Outseam" is the intended R2D6 6-point answer, based on this: http://www.stainedglassbridalandtuxedo.net/tuxmea.html ("Outseam- An outseam measurement is obtained by beginning at the top of the waistline and bringing the tape down to where the pant should fall on the shoe; generally to the top of the heel.") and this: http://www.zootsuitstore.com/shopping/measure.asp (Take the tape and from the top of his pant line to the top of where the shoe meets the foot from the outside just below the ankle, add 1" and you have the pant outseam.)
I thought inseam would be obviously wrong since it measures form the crotch and not the waist, but apparently a lot of people didn't get that distinction.
Aside from "it's harder than I thought," is there anything that fatally flaws the clue to the point of needing an RQ?
"Outseam" is the intended R2D6 6-point answer, based on this: http://www.stainedglassbridalandtuxedo.net/tuxmea.html ("Outseam- An outseam measurement is obtained by beginning at the top of the waistline and bringing the tape down to where the pant should fall on the shoe; generally to the top of the heel.") and this: http://www.zootsuitstore.com/shopping/measure.asp (Take the tape and from the top of his pant line to the top of where the shoe meets the foot from the outside just below the ankle, add 1" and you have the pant outseam.)
I thought inseam would be obviously wrong since it measures form the crotch and not the waist, but apparently a lot of people didn't get that distinction.
Aside from "it's harder than I thought," is there anything that fatally flaws the clue to the point of needing an RQ?
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Re: SHC Round 2 Instant Replay Thread [SPOILERS]
Since I brought this up, I'll put in my two cents worth - no. Then again, I got it right (by pure WAG-ish good luck,) so my two cents might not be worth even that much. If you'd been trying for inseam, I'd have been adamantly on the yes side, but I shouldn't have doubted you.DadofTwins wrote:Working on getting R3D1 up this afternoon.
"Outseam" is the intended R2D6 6-point answer, based on this: http://www.stainedglassbridalandtuxedo.net/tuxmea.html ("Outseam- An outseam measurement is obtained by beginning at the top of the waistline and bringing the tape down to where the pant should fall on the shoe; generally to the top of the heel.") and this: http://www.zootsuitstore.com/shopping/measure.asp (Take the tape and from the top of his pant line to the top of where the shoe meets the foot from the outside just below the ankle, add 1" and you have the pant outseam.)
I thought inseam would be obviously wrong since it measures form the crotch and not the waist, but apparently a lot of people didn't get that distinction.
Aside from "it's harder than I thought," is there anything that fatally flaws the clue to the point of needing an RQ?
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Re: SHC Round 2 Instant Replay Thread [SPOILERS]
I got it wrong, and can't really quibble about it, except what would you use an outseam for? I've bought pants many, many times, and have never heard of an outseam, let alone having it used in the description and/or purchase of a pair of pants? For that matter, why is it a pair of pants?DadofTwins wrote:Aside from "it's harder than I thought," is there anything that fatally flaws the clue to the point of needing an RQ?
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Um, how about the fact that the word is not in any mainstream dictionary? Not in any online (according to the onelook.com portal) and not in the (admittedly rather old) Random House Unabridged I have handy here.DadofTwins wrote:Aside from "it's harder than I thought," is there anything that fatally flaws the clue to the point of needing an RQ?
ETA: One possible exception may be M-W, which doesn't list it in its free online version, but points to its pay version which defines it as "prickseam", which sounds painful.
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Because, originally, it was just the two legs, kinda like a pair of chaps. The center was covered by a flap in the back and a codpiece in front. Everything was more or less held in place with a belt.alietr wrote: For that matter, why is it a pair of pants?
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Re: SHC Round 2 Instant Replay Thread [SPOILERS]
I clammed because I figured it had to be some sort of seam, knew it wasn't inseam, and didn't know any other seam terms. Not even prison ones, and their unusual way of getting an inseam (as per Ross).
Never heard of "outseam" and I have a body type that requires alterations on almost every pants purchase.
Still, some players braver than me were able to infer the correct answer. They took a chance and got it right. I think an RQ would essentially punish them.
Never heard of "outseam" and I have a body type that requires alterations on almost every pants purchase.
Still, some players braver than me were able to infer the correct answer. They took a chance and got it right. I think an RQ would essentially punish them.
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oh, and it's not in my World Book Dictionary (2 volume), 1964. And that has some AWESOME words in it. But maybe it's newer than that.
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The Random House I consulted is 1970. Yes, that's old. But has sartorial terminology changed? It tends to be very traditional.Paucle wrote:oh, and it's not in my World Book Dictionary (2 volume), 1964. And that has some AWESOME words in it. But maybe it's newer than that.
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Re: SHC Round 2 Instant Replay Thread [SPOILERS]
FWIW, I was measured for a tux by Men's Wearhouse two weeks ago, and my outseam was measured. My inseam was also measured, fortunately in a manner that did not warrant prosecution as sexual assault.
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Re: SHC Round 2 Instant Replay Thread [SPOILERS]
AFAIK, whether some players were able to correctly answer a flawed question has never been a criterion for whether an RQ gets issued. The invocation of the remedy does not "punish" those people; they still get the points and they don't have to worry about whether they can correctly answer the replacement clue.Paucle wrote:Still, some players braver than me were able to infer the correct answer. They took a chance and got it right. I think an RQ would essentially punish them.
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Re: SHC Round 2 Instant Replay Thread [SPOILERS]
I would say that it merits an RQ because the clue doesn't match the definition you cited -- the definition refers to the waistline -- on the body -- as opposed to the waist (of the pants) --cited in the clue. As the only seam on a pair of pants involving the waist -- if there IS a waist, as others have noted -- is that between the waist and the legs, the clue was incorrectly worded.
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