Thursday, June 5, 2014 Game Recap & Discussion [SPOILERS]

[Spaceman Spiff]

As the resident psychologist, I am very frustrated that I didn't run the psychology category. Somehow in all of my training I never learned about EST. Then again, after reading about it, it sounds like a bunch of crap, so I guess that's why they don't teach it.

Count your blessings. It was a 70's fad, kind of like the pet rock (and half as useful).

[Volante]

Millard Fillmore's a pretty bad guess for the president. Lincoln was the first reelected president after Jackson, and two presidents died in office in the meantime, so there were eight in 24 years. (To compare, there were three during the first 24 years of the presidency.) Ten years before Lincoln took office, Fillmore was president, and the clue was looking for the president nearly thirty years earlier. (I got it with some luck: I decided 1833 was too late for J.Q. Adams and just went for the next one.)

If you remember that the Panic of 1837 took place during Van Buren's Presidency, then four years earlier it had to be Jackson.

Or you could jump back twice from WHH / 1841. (Presidents dying every 20 years makes it pretty easy to get a starting point)

[darkgreenblue]

Maybe.

Good one. One more for the tally for that game still being brought up in 2014.

Is there a game that more precipitously shaped J! history?

Maybe Ken Jennings' game 5 (http://www.j-archive.com/showgame.php?game_id=1552), where he missed FJ in what would be a very rare non-lock game (though just barely) for him. If the opponent hadn't missed it too, there would be no Legend of Ken.

That FJ was the highly misleading clue which negbaited Cyprus (Ken's response) as the "southernmost point in Europe"; if you've never heard of the island of Gavdos, it's awfully hard to know it's off the coast of Crete (where they also speak Greek, and which indeed is not as southerly as Cyprus).

[OrangeSAM]

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Millard Fillmore's a pretty bad guess for the president. Lincoln was the first reelected president after Jackson, and two presidents died in office in the meantime, so there were eight in 24 years. (To compare, there were three during the first 24 years of the presidency.) Ten years before Lincoln took office, Fillmore was president, and the clue was looking for the president nearly thirty years earlier. (I got it with some luck: I decided 1833 was too late for J.Q. Adams and just went for the next one.)

John Adams was a one-term kinda guy, so it was three presidents in the first score. On 1/20/2017, we may see the three in 24 years scenario play out again. Previously seen with Jefferson-Madison-Monroe, Hoover-FDR-Truman (well, 23 years, 300+ days), and FDR-Truman-Ike (27 years, 300+ days).

[harrumph]

Maybe.

Good one. One more for the tally for that game still being brought up in 2014.

Is there a game that more precipitously shaped J! history?

Maybe Ken Jennings' game 5 (http://www.j-archive.com/showgame.php?game_id=1552), where he missed FJ in what would be a very rare non-lock game (though just barely) for him. If the opponent hadn't missed it too, there would be no Legend of Ken.

That FJ was the highly misleading clue which negbaited Cyprus (Ken's response) as the "southernmost point in Europe"; if you've never heard of the island of Gavdos, it's awfully hard to know it's off the coast of Crete (where they also speak Greek, and which indeed is not as southerly as Cyprus).

I don't think we had the weekly poll back then (did we?) Maybe Mark can include it sometime.

[StevenH]

Maybe Ken Jennings' game 5 (http://www.j-archive.com/showgame.php?game_id=1552), where he missed FJ in what would be a very rare non-lock game (though just barely) for him. If the opponent hadn't missed it too, there would be no Legend of Ken.

That FJ was the highly misleading clue which negbaited Cyprus (Ken's response) as the "southernmost point in Europe"; if you've never heard of the island of Gavdos, it's awfully hard to know it's off the coast of Crete (where they also speak Greek, and which indeed is not as southerly as Cyprus).

I was actually able to guess that FJ correctly because of a question that I had saw on WWTBAM not too long before. That question was something like "Europe's southernmost point is located on Gavdos, which is an island that belongs to which country?" The answer was "Greece."

[jkbrat]

I don't think the players ever grasped the idea of the the State of Film category...

And I didn't grasp it until reading your post.

The last champ I was this excited about was Julia Collins.

Wow, that long ago!

I was able to learn the English monarchs in order not too long ago from watching a Horrible Histories video. I don't know the exact years of them, but I have a rough idea and that has helped me watching the show.

It's been shared here a few times (at least one by me), and is a great way to learn. They should do one for the Presidents too...

Well, there's this one, which is good for photos, order, and first-level data, but I can't heartily endorse it as it contains some errors of fact (e.g., says Garfield was assassinated in 1882 -- and since this date is used to complete a rhyme [with "two", lame-o ] it looks suspiciously intentional, which makes me like it even less. ). (Though I do, in general, like Jonathan Coulton.)

(I got it with some luck: I decided 1833 was too late for J.Q. Adams and just went for the next one.)

I can't say I know dates for all the presidents (work in progress), but I have managed to anchor a few of them in time.

For this one, I use the old TV show "Quincy, M.E.". The job of a medical examiner is pretty important, and you just never know when you might get that call to come in to work. So basically, it's a 24-hour-a-day kind of job. 24 hours <-> Quincy gives 1824 <-> John Quincy Adams. I knew he only served one term, so it had to be the next guy.

[darkgreenblue]

For this one, I use the old TV show "Quincy, M.E.". The job of a medical examiner is pretty important, and you just never know when you might get that call to come in to work. So basically, it's a 24-hour-a-day kind of job. 24 hours <-> Quincy gives 1824 <-> John Quincy Adams. I knew he only served one term, so it had to be the next guy.

Wow, that mnemonic is almost worthy of Michael Scott!

[Category 13]

That FJ was one of those that just seems wayyyyy too easy.

Agreed. As soon as the clue popped up, I thought "THIS, is supposed to be challenging????"
I HATE it when they have a no-brainer Final in such a close game. It generally relegates who ever is leading at the end of DJ as the automatic winner, so someone who loses the lead on the last few clues, after being in control the whole game, is screwed.
Such as Sarah, lost by a lousy $200.

[El Jefe]

I actually learned all of the presidents before I started kindergarten because my parents had a set of encyclopedias (which I still own), and one of the volumes was a special edition dedicated solely to all 41 (at the time) presidents, and I just browsed at the pictures and names.

So that was when Clinton was president?

Well, unless the encyclopedia refused to vector the lie that George Washington was the first president...

[TenPoundHammer]

I got the "State of Film" reference on the very first clue, but that didn't help me one damn bit since I skunked the category. Texas Chainsaw Massacre was the only one of the five that I had even heard of.

Also, bumping since I still see nothing in the clue:

What led to "memory" on Psychology for $400?

As the resident psychologist, I am very frustrated that I didn't run the psychology category. Somehow in all of my training I never learned about EST. Then again, after reading about it, it sounds like a bunch of crap, so I guess that's why they don't teach it.

Count your blessings. It was a 70's fad, kind of like the pet rock (and half as useful).

Isn't half of zero still zero?

[opusthepenguin]

I actually learned all of the presidents before I started kindergarten because my parents had a set of encyclopedias (which I still own), and one of the volumes was a special edition dedicated solely to all 41 (at the time) presidents, and I just browsed at the pictures and names.

So that was when Clinton was president?

Well, unless the encyclopedia refused to vector the lie that George Washington was the first president...

More likely it refused to vector the lie that Grover Cleveland was two different people.

[barandall800]

Fj will probably poll above 90%. not 100% because I missed it. For some reason I first thought of Mount Rushmore, from the somewhat recent (FJ?) clue about it "watching over America's skyline" or something like that, then realized I was in the wrong century, but never got out of the midwest, I landed on the Gateway Arch - even though I figured the correct answer was probably one that could "watch" (i.e. is depicted with eyes) ruling out St. Louis. The Statue of Liberty never once occurred to me. And I'll probably be alone in this regard (*maybe* with TPH, but I"m not even placing the usual easy bet on that.)

You're not alone. I went with the exact same response...except mine was worse because I went with it right off the bat, and stuck with it without even going through others much. And I don't have the excuse of being Canadian, as do you...

Yet more "I've been there" misses...Grand Canyon was IN THE CLUE, yet I went with a kneejerk-idiot response of it for the Glen Canyon clue. (I've passed over that dam a few times, and would have been able to clearly remember it had I been using my brain.) And then we totally read "Hamlet" in my senior year English class, and in a video project I PLAYED Polonius...5 years must be too much, because I blanked on his name.

In good news, almost swept Hymns and TV Doctors (yes! pop culture redemption!), and did well on a few other categories as well. Was lost on "State of Film" but at least recognized the chain early on, and at one point I was shouting at the TV (not very characteristic for me): "States! STATES!" IT didn't appear to have worked.

Sad to see Sarah go, but I agree that Molly's a nice champ.

[TenPoundHammer]

So is the church organist the only one here who ran Hymns?

[barandall800]

So is the church organist the only one here who ran Hymns?

I almost ran it, but then again, I'm a former church organist, so I suppose it's the same thing.

[seaborgium]

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Millard Fillmore's a pretty bad guess for the president. Lincoln was the first reelected president after Jackson, and two presidents died in office in the meantime, so there were eight in 24 years. (To compare, there were three during the first 24 years of the presidency.) Ten years before Lincoln took office, Fillmore was president, and the clue was looking for the president nearly thirty years earlier. (I got it with some luck: I decided 1833 was too late for J.Q. Adams and just went for the next one.)

John Adams was a one-term kinda guy, so it was three presidents in the first score. On 1/20/2017, we may see the three in 24 years scenario play out again. Previously seen with Jefferson-Madison-Monroe, Hoover-FDR-Truman (well, 23 years, 300+ days), and FDR-Truman-Ike (27 years, 300+ days).

Thanks. That was a dumb mistake.

So is the church organist the only one here who ran Hymns?

I did, as I recall.

[jeopardyhopeful]

I ran the Hymns category, thanks to my 18 years of constant churchgoing in a rural SC Baptist church.

[Bamaman]

I ran hymns.

[dhkendall]

I think I did, can't remember (I record which ones I got right and wrong, but only that, I don't save the category names, I'd have to double-check against the Archive to see where it was on the board) [EDIT: Yup, ran it, thanks for the reminder, Mark!]. But, running the PowerPoint in my church means I have to be aware of the music (so that I can get the next part ready when it's supposed to be).

[zakharov]

I'm almost sorry that Angry Atheist Man isn't around to post about how oppressive he found the Hymns category.

Almost.