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TenPoundHammer wrote:
Tue Dec 29, 2020 9:12 pm
econgator wrote:
Tue Dec 29, 2020 7:41 pm
TenPoundHammer wrote:
Tue Dec 29, 2020 5:11 pm
Man, these FJ!s just aren't twigging with me at all. What connection did I miss this time?
Lots of books (especially when given a Colonial America date) = Jefferson.
First time I've ever had to make that match.
And there's a good chance it'll never come to making that particular connection again. You can't really plan or prepare in advance for making specific mental connections. You just have to know a lot of stuff, and have a brain that's good at working out from the clue what particular connection you need to make, even if it's one you've never had to make before. Some peoples' brains are good at that. Other people have brains that are good at other things. We're all different.
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Euphonium wrote:
Tue Dec 29, 2020 9:20 pm
And there's a good chance it'll never come to making that particular connection again. You can't really plan or prepare in advance for making specific mental connections. You just have to know a lot of stuff, and have a brain that's good at working out from the clue what particular connection you need to make, even if it's one you've never had to make before. Some peoples' brains are good at that. Other people have brains that are good at other things. We're all different.
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TenPoundHammer wrote:
Tue Dec 29, 2020 9:12 pm
econgator wrote:
Tue Dec 29, 2020 7:41 pm
TenPoundHammer wrote:
Tue Dec 29, 2020 5:11 pm
Man, these FJ!s just aren't twigging with me at all. What connection did I miss this time?
Lots of books (especially when given a Colonial America date) = Jefferson.
First time I've ever had to make that match.
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TenPoundHammer wrote:
Tue Dec 29, 2020 9:12 pm
econgator wrote:
Tue Dec 29, 2020 7:41 pm
TenPoundHammer wrote:
Tue Dec 29, 2020 5:11 pm
Man, these FJ!s just aren't twigging with me at all. What connection did I miss this time?
Lots of books (especially when given a Colonial America date) = Jefferson.
First time I've ever had to make that match.
#8297, aired 2020-12-08 THE FOUNDING FATHERS SPEAK $200: "I cannot live without" these, Thomas Jefferson wrote months after selling more than 6,000 of them to the Library of Congress

#7584, aired 2017-07-27 LET'S ALL GO TO THE LIBRARY $400: Burned by the Brits in 1814, the Library of Congress was rebuilt with the purchase of 6,487 books from this man
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opusthepenguin wrote:
Tue Dec 29, 2020 10:08 pm
Euphonium wrote:
Tue Dec 29, 2020 9:20 pm
And there's a good chance it'll never come to making that particular connection again. You can't really plan or prepare in advance for making specific mental connections. You just have to know a lot of stuff, and have a brain that's good at working out from the clue what particular connection you need to make, even if it's one you've never had to make before. Some peoples' brains are good at that. Other people have brains that are good at other things. We're all different.
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Volante wrote:
Tue Dec 29, 2020 10:50 pm
TenPoundHammer wrote:
Tue Dec 29, 2020 9:12 pm
econgator wrote:
Tue Dec 29, 2020 7:41 pm
TenPoundHammer wrote:
Tue Dec 29, 2020 5:11 pm
Man, these FJ!s just aren't twigging with me at all. What connection did I miss this time?
Lots of books (especially when given a Colonial America date) = Jefferson.
First time I've ever had to make that match.
#8297, aired 2020-12-08 THE FOUNDING FATHERS SPEAK $200: "I cannot live without" these, Thomas Jefferson wrote months after selling more than 6,000 of them to the Library of Congress

#7584, aired 2017-07-27 LET'S ALL GO TO THE LIBRARY $400: Burned by the Brits in 1814, the Library of Congress was rebuilt with the purchase of 6,487 books from this man
The sale to the Library of Congress is more important than just "books." Bookishness was rampant among the Founding Fathers...no 24-hour news channels... :roll:
And we might consider Shadwell to be the hyphen of this clue...

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econgator wrote:
Tue Dec 29, 2020 7:41 pm
TenPoundHammer wrote:
Tue Dec 29, 2020 5:11 pm
Man, these FJ!s just aren't twigging with me at all. What connection did I miss this time?
Lots of books (especially when given a Colonial America date) = Jefferson.
More than that - after the burning of the Capitol in the War of 1812, the Library of Congress was largely rebuilt from Thomas Jefferson’s personal library. That’s the connection the writers were after.

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TenPoundHammer wrote:
Thu Jan 07, 2021 8:01 pm


What was the TOM for Portugal in Queens for $200?
She went into exile in Brazil, which was a Portuguese colony. They speak Portuguese in Brazil.

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Bamaman wrote:
Thu Jan 07, 2021 8:13 pm
TenPoundHammer wrote:
Thu Jan 07, 2021 8:01 pm


What was the TOM for Portugal in Queens for $200?
She went into exile in Brazil, which was a Portuguese colony. They speak Portuguese in Brazil.
So? It's possible to be from literally any country yet die in Brazil.
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TenPoundHammer wrote:
Thu Jan 07, 2021 8:26 pm
Bamaman wrote:
Thu Jan 07, 2021 8:13 pm
TenPoundHammer wrote:
Thu Jan 07, 2021 8:01 pm


What was the TOM for Portugal in Queens for $200?
She went into exile in Brazil, which was a Portuguese colony. They speak Portuguese in Brazil.
So? It's possible to be from literally any country yet die in Brazil.
It's not about deductive mathematical certainty, it's about inductive reasoning and triggering concrete associations.
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I had never heard of Maria I and didn’t know a Portuguese queen exiled to Brazil. But with a top row clue I felt safe risking an imaginary $200 and clicking my pen and saying “What is Brazil?”.

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TenPoundHammer wrote:
Thu Jan 07, 2021 8:26 pm
Bamaman wrote:
Thu Jan 07, 2021 8:13 pm
TenPoundHammer wrote:
Thu Jan 07, 2021 8:01 pm


What was the TOM for Portugal in Queens for $200?
She went into exile in Brazil, which was a Portuguese colony. They speak Portuguese in Brazil.
So? It's possible to be from literally any country yet die in Brazil.
The clue said "Iberian" country, so your "literally any country" is reduced from 200-ish to Spain, Portugal, Andorra and maybe the U.K. If you count Gibraltar. Now let's see, what Iberian country might lead one to Brazil? Gee, I don't know, could be anything!!
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ParrotRob wrote:
Thu Jan 07, 2021 8:59 pm
The clue said "Iberian" country, so your "literally any country" is reduced from 200-ish to Spain, Portugal, Andorra and maybe the U.K. If you count Gibraltar. Now let's see, what Iberian country might lead one to Brazil? Gee, I don't know, could be anything!!
Because again, it's possible to be from literally anywhere in the world yet die in Brazil. I don't know who the hell this person even is, so it very well COULD be Spain or Andorra or the UK or Gibraltar. They have thrown red herrings in the top box before.
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TenPoundHammer wrote:
Thu Jan 07, 2021 9:18 pm
ParrotRob wrote:
Thu Jan 07, 2021 8:59 pm
The clue said "Iberian" country, so your "literally any country" is reduced from 200-ish to Spain, Portugal, Andorra and maybe the U.K. If you count Gibraltar. Now let's see, what Iberian country might lead one to Brazil? Gee, I don't know, could be anything!!
Because again, it's possible to be from literally anywhere in the world yet die in Brazil. I don't know who the hell this person even is, so it very well COULD be Spain or Andorra or the UK or Gibraltar. They have thrown red herrings in the top box before.
No, it's not possible to be from literally anywhere in the world when the clue spots you Iberia. But I guess I can't argue with the rest of your logic - I suppose someone could just as easily have traveled to Brazil from one of three countries that had absolutely nothing to do with
Brazil in Napoleonic times as they could have from the country that literally colonized Brazil. Who knows... Coin flip, I guess.
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TenPoundHammer wrote:
Thu Jan 07, 2021 8:01 pm
NHO Robert Baratheon. That seemed like an opaque TOM in the top box.
If you don't want to learn anything about what was literally the biggest TV phenomenon of the 2010s, fine. But that's your problem, not the writers'.
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Volante wrote:
Thu Jan 07, 2021 10:32 pm
TenPoundHammer wrote:
Thu Jan 07, 2021 8:01 pm
NHO Robert Baratheon. That seemed like an opaque TOM in the top box.
If you don't want to learn anything about what was literally the biggest TV phenomenon of the 2010s, fine. But that's your problem, not the writers'.
Never watched the show, still less read the books, and this was an instaget. Osmosis.

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davey wrote:
Thu Jan 07, 2021 11:29 pm
Never watched the show, still less read the books, and this was an instaget. Osmosis.
Reverse effect for me. I still know "there was something called Game of Thrones" and that's it
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Ten Pound Hammer wrote:NHO babaganoush. That was only slightly less obscure than liederkranz.
I'd be willing to put money on baba ghanoush being much more well known than liederkranz, at least in the U.S.

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This Is Kirk! wrote:
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Ten Pound Hammer wrote:NHO babaganoush. That was only slightly less obscure than liederkranz.
I'd be willing to put money on baba ghanoush being much more well known than liederkranz, at least in the U.S.
baba ghanouj should fulfill the Hawley-Smoot criteria for rememberance.
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2-LETTER LIT $400: The tomboy of Alcott's March sisters, she wants to be a writer

92%+ of J! contestants should be able to do Alcott = Louisa May Alcott

The percentage drops a few points to connect March sisters to Little Women

Recalling the names of the four sisters (someone may not even know how many there are) becomes a lower percentage again.

Doing it all in proper clue timing is a snap for up to 85% of contestants.

Hammer is going to be on the wrong side of such clues one way or another.

For all of the posts in the day's thread: Keep in mind the clue does not give the work. It probably would not have mattered, but it does not help someone fighting to get half the clues or a little more each night.

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