Because there was a picture, probably. And maybe the presence of "breeches" in the clue made people think that it was going to be a completely new word that didn't contain "breeches."TenPoundHammer wrote: ↑Sun Dec 31, 2017 12:45 pmThen why did so few get it right if it was so easy?seaborgium wrote: ↑Sun Dec 31, 2017 12:06 pm"Breeches named for a body part" in BEGINS WITH A SILENT LETTER is not worth more than $400 regardless of how many people get it right.TenPoundHammer wrote: ↑Sun Dec 31, 2017 10:44 am Yeah, I think we can throw that Breeches clue in the "horribly under valued" pile.
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I still don't see how it's a supposedly "easy" clue. "Knee Breeches" has zero other hits in the archive as a correct response, and only one hit even in the text of a clue, so it's clearly not common knowledge.seaborgium wrote: ↑Sun Dec 31, 2017 1:24 pmBecause there was a picture, probably. And maybe the presence of "breeches" in the clue made people think that it was going to be a completely new word that didn't contain "breeches."TenPoundHammer wrote: ↑Sun Dec 31, 2017 12:45 pmThen why did so few get it right if it was so easy?seaborgium wrote: ↑Sun Dec 31, 2017 12:06 pm"Breeches named for a body part" in BEGINS WITH A SILENT LETTER is not worth more than $400 regardless of how many people get it right.TenPoundHammer wrote: ↑Sun Dec 31, 2017 10:44 am Yeah, I think we can throw that Breeches clue in the "horribly under valued" pile.
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Because there are so few body parts beginning with silent letters that breeches touch or are adjacent to.TenPoundHammer wrote: ↑Sun Dec 31, 2017 1:30 pmI still don't see how it's a supposedly "easy" clue. "Knee Breeches" has zero other hits in the archive as a correct response, and only one hit even in the text of a clue, so it's clearly not common knowledge.seaborgium wrote: ↑Sun Dec 31, 2017 1:24 pmBecause there was a picture, probably. And maybe the presence of "breeches" in the clue made people think that it was going to be a completely new word that didn't contain "breeches."TenPoundHammer wrote: ↑Sun Dec 31, 2017 12:45 pmThen why did so few get it right if it was so easy?seaborgium wrote: ↑Sun Dec 31, 2017 12:06 pm"Breeches named for a body part" in BEGINS WITH A SILENT LETTER is not worth more than $400 regardless of how many people get it right.TenPoundHammer wrote: ↑Sun Dec 31, 2017 10:44 am Yeah, I think we can throw that Breeches clue in the "horribly under valued" pile.
P.S. You put "easy" in quotation marks as if I said it. I didn't. Maybe it wasn't easy, but it still wasn't undervalued.
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So an impossibly difficult clue =/= undervalued. By that logic, the "flight simulator" FJ! that no one on this forum got right should be in the $200 box.seaborgium wrote: ↑Sun Dec 31, 2017 2:24 pm Because there are so few body parts beginning with silent letters that breeches touch or are adjacent to.
P.S. You put "easy" in quotation marks as if I said it. I didn't. Maybe it wasn't easy, but it still wasn't undervalued.
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So (body part that begins with a silent letter = knee) = impossibly difficult.TenPoundHammer wrote: ↑Sun Dec 31, 2017 2:37 pmSo an impossibly difficult clue =/= undervalued. By that logic, the "flight simulator" FJ! that no one on this forum got right should be in the $200 box.seaborgium wrote: ↑Sun Dec 31, 2017 2:24 pm Because there are so few body parts beginning with silent letters that breeches touch or are adjacent to.
P.S. You put "easy" in quotation marks as if I said it. I didn't. Maybe it wasn't easy, but it still wasn't undervalued.
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It must be if virtually nobody got it right. I'm sure you thought goop.com was a no brainer too.seaborgium wrote: ↑Sun Dec 31, 2017 2:41 pm So (body part that begins with a silent letter = knee) = impossibly difficult.
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I don't know why that's your example, but yes, "Gwyneth Paltrow" + "website" = "goop" is a simple association.TenPoundHammer wrote: ↑Sun Dec 31, 2017 2:43 pmIt must be if virtually nobody got it right. I'm sure you thought goop.com was a no brainer too.seaborgium wrote: ↑Sun Dec 31, 2017 2:41 pm So (body part that begins with a silent letter = knee) = impossibly difficult.
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It's my example because it's another top box clue that I remember polling hideously low. If it's below 50% for us and a TS on the show, then clearly the writers dun goofed because I really doubt THAT high a number of any given sample is going to have a collective brainfart.seaborgium wrote: ↑Sun Dec 31, 2017 2:46 pmI don't know why that's your example, but yes, "Gwyneth Paltrow" + "website" = "goop" is a simple association.TenPoundHammer wrote: ↑Sun Dec 31, 2017 2:43 pmIt must be if virtually nobody got it right. I'm sure you thought goop.com was a no brainer too.seaborgium wrote: ↑Sun Dec 31, 2017 2:41 pm So (body part that begins with a silent letter = knee) = impossibly difficult.
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To be fair, it was in a category called WHY DOES THAT SOUND FAMILIAR?, which to me implies that the responses are largely going to be just on the edge of one's consciousness. I think Goop would have been better polled by asking whether those who negged or clammed slapped their foreheads upon its reveal.TenPoundHammer wrote: ↑Sun Dec 31, 2017 2:51 pmIt's my example because it's another top box clue that I remember polling hideously low. If it's below 50% for us and a TS on the show, then clearly the writers dun goofed because I really doubt THAT high a number of any given sample is going to have a collective brainfart.seaborgium wrote: ↑Sun Dec 31, 2017 2:46 pmI don't know why that's your example, but yes, "Gwyneth Paltrow" + "website" = "goop" is a simple association.TenPoundHammer wrote: ↑Sun Dec 31, 2017 2:43 pmIt must be if virtually nobody got it right. I'm sure you thought goop.com was a no brainer too.seaborgium wrote: ↑Sun Dec 31, 2017 2:41 pm So (body part that begins with a silent letter = knee) = impossibly difficult.
Again, I think "knee breeches" failed because people simply didn't expect that the clue had spotted them two thirds of the correct response, and were trying to come up with an entirely different word preceded by "knee." It's more complex than simple obscurity.
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But you still admit it's complex. Top boxes are supposed to be easy, not "TS on the show, <20% when polled from a sampling of people who usually get 50 clues right per night".seaborgium wrote: ↑Sun Dec 31, 2017 3:00 pmAgain, I think "knee breeches" failed because people simply didn't expect that the clue had spotted them two thirds of the correct response, and were trying to come up with an entirely different word preceded by "knee." It's more complex than simple obscurity.
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I think you have a tendency toward exaggerationTenPoundHammer wrote: ↑Sun Dec 31, 2017 3:06 pm a sampling of people who usually get 50 clues right per night".
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The clue should probably have just asked "Breeches named after this body part..."seaborgium wrote: ↑Sun Dec 31, 2017 3:00 pm Again, I think "knee breeches" failed because people simply didn't expect that the clue had spotted them two thirds of the correct response, and were trying to come up with an entirely different word preceded by "knee." It's more complex than simple obscurity.
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What if, of the 68 who did not report getting it, 51, say, voted in a poll that the correct response turned out to be simpler than they expected?TenPoundHammer wrote: ↑Sun Dec 31, 2017 3:06 pmBut you still admit it's complex. Top boxes are supposed to be easy, not "TS on the show, <20% when polled from a sampling of people who usually get 50 clues right per night".seaborgium wrote: ↑Sun Dec 31, 2017 3:00 pmAgain, I think "knee breeches" failed because people simply didn't expect that the clue had spotted them two thirds of the correct response, and were trying to come up with an entirely different word preceded by "knee." It's more complex than simple obscurity.
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That may be part of it. For me, the bulk of it was that the words "knickers" and "knickerbockers" came immediately to mind. They had the silent letter up front. They described the apparel in question. It just wasn't possible for me to push them aside and get to the correct response in time.seaborgium wrote: ↑Sun Dec 31, 2017 3:00 pm Again, I think "knee breeches" failed because people simply didn't expect that the clue had spotted them two thirds of the correct response, and were trying to come up with an entirely different word preceded by "knee." It's more complex than simple obscurity.
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I wish "clam diggers" were synonymous with "knee breeches" or "knickers" right now.opusthepenguin wrote: ↑Sun Dec 31, 2017 5:21 pmThat may be part of it. For me, the bulk of it was that the words "knickers" and "knickerbockers" came immediately to mind. They had the silent letter up front. They described the apparel in question. It just wasn't possible for me to push them aside and get to the correct response in time.seaborgium wrote: ↑Sun Dec 31, 2017 3:00 pm Again, I think "knee breeches" failed because people simply didn't expect that the clue had spotted them two thirds of the correct response, and were trying to come up with an entirely different word preceded by "knee." It's more complex than simple obscurity.
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Very grumpy about the fuss over prepositions but gave Mormon Church of Latter Day Saints as response IDK TBVH if TPTB would credit that or no.
Possibly a neg on many variations, I suppose a KISS response "Mormons" would be least risky. Knickerbockers here, I always imagined it's derived from German for joint >> implies 'knee'. Seems I got "My knickers in a knot," as IN FACT:
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I settled on the right answer, but would be lying if I said knickerbockers didn't come to mind for an instant. Fortunately, I couldn't remember where on my body my bock is located.opusthepenguin wrote: ↑Sun Dec 31, 2017 5:21 pmThat may be part of it. For me, the bulk of it was that the words "knickers" and "knickerbockers" came immediately to mind. They had the silent letter up front. They described the apparel in question. It just wasn't possible for me to push them aside and get to the correct response in time.seaborgium wrote: ↑Sun Dec 31, 2017 3:00 pm Again, I think "knee breeches" failed because people simply didn't expect that the clue had spotted them two thirds of the correct response, and were trying to come up with an entirely different word preceded by "knee." It's more complex than simple obscurity.
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With Champaign in the list, I might have gotten to Illinois. But I certainly didn't get there fast enough to claim a right answer.
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