Thursday, October 24, 2019 Game Recap and Discussion (SPOILERS)

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Re: Thursday, October 24, 2019 Game Recap and Discussion (SPOILERS)

Post by cheezguyty » Thu Oct 24, 2019 8:52 pm

MarkBarrett wrote:
Thu Oct 24, 2019 11:06 am
Jamie's bet worked for her to get the win. cheezguyty - Short or long list for players winning a game with $9999? Especially if on day one?
This is at least the eleventh time someone has won with $9,999 (six of those were in the player's first game). The only other repeating-digit winning scores I could find are $999, $22,222, and $33,333.
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I wonder what the record is for fewest combined correct contestant responses in a week... we might be on track for that.
The players went 1/15 on FJ during the final week of Season 15. Oddly enough, the only contestant to get one right that week has the same first name as the only contestant to get one right so far this week!

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Re: Thursday, October 24, 2019 Game Recap and Discussion (SPOILERS)

Post by morbeedo » Thu Oct 24, 2019 9:23 pm

Here's a tip. Write something down for Final Jeopardy. Allyson proved she has the chops to be on the stage, so I just don't understand not showing up for Final. Unless you bet zero, which would have won the game on Wed and Thu.

I had The Commune for FJ. I wasn't sure the 1870s counted as "modern", but I thought the idea of community fit the clue. Clearly, I need to brush up on my French history, because the Commune only lasted 2 months :oops:

Jamie went right to her wheelhouse in DJ and lost control to Mushtaq, who stole her DD. No doubt she would have come up with Henry V

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Re: Thursday, October 24, 2019 Game Recap and Discussion (SPOILERS)

Post by hbomb1947 » Thu Oct 24, 2019 9:27 pm

doihavetoreally wrote:
Thu Oct 24, 2019 5:09 pm
Was that Shakespeare DD tough? After ruling out 8, I wasn't sure which one to go.
I got it, but I've seen Henry V multiple times. I would say that it's probably a fairly difficult clue for people who aren't very familiar with the play and may have a hard time choosing from among the various Shakespeare histories involving King Henrys. I'm not sure how you ruled out Henry VIII, although it's true that that play starts with the titular Henry already married to Katharine of Aragon (that's how her name is spelled in that play).

Poll request for that DD!

Instaget FJ here, due to "Fatherland." I don't see this one as necessarily belonging in a TOC rather than a regular play game, even though it won't match the 3 FJ's last week that polled over 80% on this board.
morbeedo wrote:
Thu Oct 24, 2019 9:23 pm
Jamie went right to her wheelhouse in DJ and lost control to Mushtaq, who stole her DD. No doubt she would have come up with Henry V
Credit to Mushtaq for realizing what Jamie was doing there and apparently looking for the DD in that column to keep it away from her. He was helped by the fact that the $2,000 clue was a bit overvalued (Troilus & Cressida, spotted Troy?) to the point that Mushtaq knew it despite (as his DD wager showed) being not at all confident in his knowledge of the Bard's works. That $2,000 Shakespeare clue was certainly easier than the DD that was placed a row above it. If Jamie wanted to hunt for the DD in that category (or keep it from being stolen from her if it was in that column), she probably should have started at the $1,600 or $1,200 level. The Jamesian strategy of starting at the bottom of the board doesn't necessarily work if you're not dominant on the buzzer; and the stats on TJF show that Jamie wasn't. Even a $2,000 clue can be a buzzer battle; you never know if a wheelhouse category for you is also one for at least one of your opponents, or if the clue placed at that level will be fairly easy.
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Re: Thursday, October 24, 2019 Game Recap and Discussion (SPOILERS)

Post by Category 13 » Thu Oct 24, 2019 9:35 pm

MarkBarrett wrote: Allyson had her chance at the win as well depending on her wager in the FJ! round. In her position I've seen more and I've seen less. It's a wide open betting position for what each player might do.
She wagered too much to win on a TS, yet didn't even bet enough to cover a zero wager from 2nd place. :?
After I tabulated my would be wagers for each player, I was certain Allyson would not be betting less than 2201. Not that her game one FJ wager had any influence on my prediction. In the end, today's wager basically confirmed the previous one was random.

I wasn't rooting for Jamie but since she knew enough to make an intelligent wager from 2nd, she deserved her victory.

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Re: Thursday, October 24, 2019 Game Recap and Discussion (SPOILERS)

Post by alietr » Thu Oct 24, 2019 9:36 pm

I would have been surprised that this was a triple stumper, but you could see it all over their faces.

Fatherland? Work? 4 years? Done. The only way they could have made it easier would have been to mention swine traitors.

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Re: Thursday, October 24, 2019 Game Recap and Discussion (SPOILERS)

Post by opusthepenguin » Thu Oct 24, 2019 9:42 pm

doihavetoreally wrote:
Thu Oct 24, 2019 5:09 pm
Was that Shakespeare DD tough? After ruling out 8, I wasn't sure which one to go.
Why did you rule out 8? He's the only one I knew had a wife named Katherine. I figured that was the TOM so that's what I went with.

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Re: Thursday, October 24, 2019 Game Recap and Discussion (SPOILERS)

Post by doihavetoreally » Thu Oct 24, 2019 10:17 pm

opusthepenguin wrote:
Thu Oct 24, 2019 9:42 pm
doihavetoreally wrote:
Thu Oct 24, 2019 5:09 pm
Was that Shakespeare DD tough? After ruling out 8, I wasn't sure which one to go.
Why did you rule out 8? He's the only one I knew had a wife named Katherine. I figured that was the TOM so that's what I went with.
I thought all were Catherines, not K. Hbomb shot that one down...so that would have been a costly DD neg.
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Re: Thursday, October 24, 2019 Game Recap and Discussion (SPOILERS)

Post by mas3cf » Thu Oct 24, 2019 10:39 pm

alietr wrote:
Thu Oct 24, 2019 9:36 pm

Fatherland? Work? 4 years? Done. The only way they could have made it easier would have been to mention swine traitors.
They also could have given cold, white soup TOM.

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Re: Thursday, October 24, 2019 Game Recap and Discussion (SPOILERS)

Post by twelvefootboy » Thu Oct 24, 2019 10:44 pm

mas3cf wrote:
Thu Oct 24, 2019 1:50 pm
Hugo Z wrote:
Thu Oct 24, 2019 12:20 pm
Wow, would've bet serious money that this wouldn't be a triple stumper, especially after "fatherland." But as the great man said, we're all ignorant, just about different subjects.
I nailed down in my head exactly what it was, just couldn't pull the name.
Same here. I know this cold, but I have to remember the cold soup (vichyssoise) first. Just couldn't get in the right syllable/sound family. I thought it would go 2 for 3, but to be fair, it is a pretty forgettable historical fact. I didn't see any body language that the contestants ever heard of it.
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Re: Thursday, October 24, 2019 Game Recap and Discussion (SPOILERS)

Post by clprez » Thu Oct 24, 2019 11:33 pm

ACW wrote:
Thu Oct 24, 2019 4:50 pm
"Fatherland", 4 years...triple stumper? Bah, nobody deserves to return :oops:
Additionally, the original wording was in french.

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Post by jev15 » Thu Oct 24, 2019 11:55 pm

TenPoundHammer wrote:
Thu Oct 24, 2019 7:50 pm

This was another garbage clue on a hyper-obscure fact. Why are we getting Liederkranz'd this week?
Please, stop assuming that anything you don't know is an obscure fact. It simply isn't true. Why not just look at it as an opportunity to learn something new to you instead of complaining about it?

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Re: Thursday, October 24, 2019 Game Recap and Discussion (SPOILERS)

Post by mungar » Fri Oct 25, 2019 12:02 am

TenPoundHammer wrote:
Thu Oct 24, 2019 7:50 pm


This was another garbage clue on a hyper-obscure fact. Why are we getting Liederkranz'd this week?
Hardly. One of the easier FJs on the year. Triple stumper was certainly surprising, but Vichy France is in no way obscure.

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Re: Thursday, October 24, 2019 Game Recap and Discussion (SPOILERS)

Post by TenPoundHammer » Fri Oct 25, 2019 12:24 am

jev15 wrote:
Thu Oct 24, 2019 11:55 pm
Please, stop assuming that anything you don't know is an obscure fact. It simply isn't true. Why not just look at it as an opportunity to learn something new to you instead of complaining about it?
Three contestants onstage didn't know it, nor did they act like they knew it. And a lot of people here are claiming a miss too. So it's clear that this one was a misfire by the writers, at the very least.
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Re: Thursday, October 24, 2019 Game Recap and Discussion (SPOILERS)

Post by CasketRomance » Fri Oct 25, 2019 12:39 am

mungar wrote:
Fri Oct 25, 2019 12:02 am
TenPoundHammer wrote:
Thu Oct 24, 2019 7:50 pm


This was another garbage clue on a hyper-obscure fact. Why are we getting Liederkranz'd this week?
Hardly. One of the easier FJs on the year. Triple stumper was certainly surprising, but Vichy France is in no way obscure.
i didn't get it...have heard of vichy, but pretty much don't know anything to what it is connected...wouldn't say obscure by any means and this is coming from someone who didn't come up with it...ten pound hammer just might be the worst trivia player ever that claims to be a trivia enthusiast

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Re: Thursday, October 24, 2019 Game Recap and Discussion (SPOILERS)

Post by jev15 » Fri Oct 25, 2019 1:31 am

TenPoundHammer wrote:
Fri Oct 25, 2019 12:24 am
jev15 wrote:
Thu Oct 24, 2019 11:55 pm
Please, stop assuming that anything you don't know is an obscure fact. It simply isn't true. Why not just look at it as an opportunity to learn something new to you instead of complaining about it?
Three contestants onstage didn't know it, nor did they act like they knew it. And a lot of people here are claiming a miss too. So it's clear that this one was a misfire by the writers, at the very least.
Vichy has come up at least 13 times since 2000, either in the body of the clue or as a response, in connection with the fact that it was the seat of the French government for most of WWII. (I didn't count non-WWII mentions or references to the soup.) It's not obscure at all to anyone familiar with WWII, which is a pretty normal area for Jeopardy to focus on. If this were a one-time thing with you I wouldn't have commented but you do this all the time. It's like you feel entitled to get Final Jeopardy right every day. Accept that there are things you don't know which are nonetheless entirely valid fodder for a quiz show.

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Re: Thursday, October 24, 2019 Game Recap and Discussion (SPOILERS)

Post by floridagator » Fri Oct 25, 2019 11:52 am

TenPoundHammer wrote:
Thu Oct 24, 2019 7:50 pm

"Franz Ferdinand" rings no bells for me unless we're talking about the band.

I thought of you when that clue came up and remembered this exchange from May 2015:
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TenPoundHammer wrote:NHO Franz Ferdinand.
Yes, you have. You absolutely have. There's a clue about him every 20 games.
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Re: Thursday, October 24, 2019 Game Recap and Discussion (SPOILERS)

Post by This Is Kirk! » Fri Oct 25, 2019 12:21 pm

The "modern" bit certainly helped me. Not sure I would have gotten it otherwise, but that made it pretty obvious. I'd be quite surprised if this one polls below 50%.

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Re: Thursday, October 24, 2019 Game Recap and Discussion (SPOILERS)

Post by Peter the accountant » Fri Oct 25, 2019 12:25 pm

French history is something I know little about. So my miss today wasn't a surprise. I didn't even know how to parse out the clue. Alex's post-music hint was little help to me. But once revealed, I can now make a connection between the term and at least a general idea of when it was and what it represents. The trick is to remember it down the road.

I at least got to Henry on the DD, although I picked #3. Not sure if that's even a Shakespeare play.

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Re: Thursday, October 24, 2019 Game Recap and Discussion (SPOILERS)

Post by TenPoundHammer » Fri Oct 25, 2019 12:46 pm

floridagator wrote:
Fri Oct 25, 2019 11:52 am
TenPoundHammer wrote:
Thu Oct 24, 2019 7:50 pm

"Franz Ferdinand" rings no bells for me unless we're talking about the band.

I thought of you when that clue came up and remembered this exchange from May 2015:
floridagator wrote:
Wed May 27, 2015 11:25 pm
TenPoundHammer wrote:NHO Franz Ferdinand.
Yes, you have. You absolutely have. There's a clue about him every 20 games.
So why does that name of all names repeatedly fail to trigger my Hawley-Smoot filter? Same reason it took me forever to remember "Mark Zuckerberg", which seems equally Hawley-Smoot-ish?
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