Re: Fourth Podium Poll for 11/11/2019 - Monday TOC (SPOILERS)
Posted: Tue Nov 12, 2019 1:11 pm
I got the ones polling above .500, except for Arkansas, and missed the ones below, except for soccer and the Louvre.
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Right with you there, my flightless friend. From BASIC I went to FORTRAN-IV and then on to Algol (bleh) and thence to Pascal and the idea of "structured programming." (Though one of my favorite polemics from that era is "Real Programmers Don't Use Pascal")opusthepenguin wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2019 12:19 pmThere wasn't room in this poll for "I have programmed in Pascal" or I'd be checking that box. I first learned (self-taught) BASIC with line numbers and couldn't imagine how one could get along without them. Then I got an implementation of structured BASIC (i.e. without line numbers) and took to it in seconds. It was immediately obvious that line numbers were a crutch and a distraction and a waste of valuable time. I couldn't imagine going back to them and to the ridiculous RENUM command for when you ran out of space because the next numbered line was only 10 away and you wanted to insert 11 lines. The alternative, of course was to insert a GOTO 5000, type all the lines you want and then type GOTO [whatever line number came after the one with GOTO 5000] and soldier on. What a mess. What a pain. Good riddance.talkingaway wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2019 1:44 am If you had a computer in your school in the 80s, you at least heard OF all those older languages - FORTRAN, PASCAL, C, C+, BASIC. We played around with BASIC and LOGO - I still think of programs as having line numbers like when using BASIC on my old Apple //c, and I remember drawing with the on-screen LOGO turtle.
Awesome! I didn't even notice initially that you'd mentioned the problem. I was just looking at the results and saw that no check boxes show up next to them. I thought "That's not right" and went in and made the change.
Ha! That was awesome. I'm definitely not a Real Programmer even if the criteria are a lot less stringent than that. I'm just a guy who learned to program a bit back in the pre-Windows days and kind of wonders what would've happened if I'd decided to go somewhere with that skill. There are hundreds of thousands of us. My basic level of understanding can be described as "I get the joke in the name of C++".Woof wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2019 1:20 pm Right with you there, my flightless friend. From BASIC I went to FORTRAN-IV and then on to Algol (bleh) and thence to Pascal and the idea of "structured programming." (Though one of my favorite polemics from that era is "Real Programmers Don't Use Pascal")
Could you explain it for the rest of us? Or would that kill the humor.
C++ is the grade you get when you don't quite rate a B--. Ok, not really. When you put ++ after a variable in C, it increments the variable to the next higher value. A simple example would be for variable N, an integer, currently equal to 10. The command (statement?) N++ would set the new value of N to 11. So C++ just means that this is the next step for C. (As Nigel Tufnel would patiently explain, "It's one better, isn't it?")
Thank you. I'd have slapped my knee, but i couldn't decide on one to slap.opusthepenguin wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2019 5:50 pmC++ is the grade you get when you don't quite rate a B--. Ok, not really. When you put ++ after a variable in C, it increments the variable to the next higher value. A simple example would be for variable N, an integer, currently equal to 10. The command (statement?) N++ would set the new value of N to 11. So C++ just means that this is the next step for C. (As Nigel Tufnel would patiently explain, "It's one better, isn't it?")