Drawing a line through FJ response

[opusthepenguin]

We occasionally see an FJ response in which the contestant has drawn a line through their first response and written in a different one. Some questions:

1. I assume there have been instances where the crossed out response was actually the correct one. Any examples come to mind? Especially examples where it cost the player the game?

2. I assume that a crossed out response isn't accepted even if the contestant failed to write something else. Any examples of someone losing because they crossed out the correct response even though they didn't write an alternative?

3. If they didn't write an alternative, maybe they just ran out of time. So maybe the thing to do is write your alternate response and THEN cross out the first one. Any examples of someone losing because they didn't get that first response crossed out in time?

4. How about losing because the first response was correct and not crossed out but the second response effectively added incorrect info making the whole thing wrong?

[Jeff-thecdboy]

Here's one good example: http://www.j-archive.com/showgame.php?game_id=3873

[Jeff-thecdboy]

Here's another example to describe the #2 scenario: http://www.j-archive.com/showgame.php?game_id=2480

[MarkBarrett]

I did an archive search for "crossed out" and it brought up a bunch of FJ! clues. Reading through a few had various scenarios.

Here is another besides the ones posted above: http://www.j-archive.com/showgame.php?game_id=265

[seaborgium]

I've got a few examples of crossed correct responses.

William Toren was a 2x champ who lost over $35,000 in pre-doubling money by crossing out a correct response (or most of one) and replacing it with an incorrect one in both his wins. (He lost his third game with a single, non–crossed-out response, but it was a sole miss from second place so he wasn't going to win it anyway.) His first game: http://www.j-archive.com/showgame.php?game_id=1964

Winter Mead crossed out a wrong response, then wrote most of the correct one before crossing that out to switch to another response that I think would have been accepted, but ran out of time. http://www.j-archive.com/showgame.php?game_id=2497

In her fifth game, Lara Robillard led by $50 entering FJ; she crossed out a correct response, but she had only wagered $50, and it was a triple stumper. (Four wins would have been enough for the ToC that year anyway, but that fifth win got her into the UToC, where she won one game.) http://www.j-archive.com/showgame.php?game_id=1210

[seaborgium]

Here's something different that you didn't ask for: a player wrote an incorrect response that happened to be the correct response plus two extra letters, in different places; he crossed off one of these letters, but the leftover extra was enough to make him wrong. http://www.j-archive.com/showgame.php?game_id=3848

[gameshowfandanny]

There was one that happened in James Holzhauer's ToC semifinal game. He came up with the correct response of Sun Belt and Rust Belt, but crossed out "sun" to replace it with "bible" (it was a runaway, so he still won).

[seaborgium]

One more: Bruce Lin, to my understanding, wrote two responses before crossing one out, and crossed the wrong one (which is to say the right one) out. http://www.j-archive.com/showgame.php?game_id=1158

[opusthepenguin]

You guys are the best. Thanks.

[jeff6286]

William Toren was a 2x champ who lost over $35,000 in pre-doubling money by crossing out a correct response (or most of one) and replacing it with an incorrect one in both his wins. (He lost his third game with a single, non–crossed-out response, but it was a sole miss from second place so he wasn't going to win it anyway.) His first game: http://www.j-archive.com/showgame.php?game_id=1964

http://www.j-archive.com/showgame.php?game_id=1966

Wow, pretty interesting acceptance of Susan's "Who is Johnson?" in William's Game 3, after Alex verbally asking her which President Johnson she meant. I wonder if that plays out differently if she is leading and thus revealed last?

[LucarioSnooperVixey]

http://www.j-archive.com/showgame.php?game_id=4717

http://www.j-archive.com/showgame.php?game_id=6053

http://www.j-archive.com/showgame.php?game_id=5834

[jeff6286]

So here's my question, is there a way to re-institute a crossed out response? Say a clue asks about a 1995 Hugh Grant film, I spend 20 second writing out "What is the englishman who went up a hill but came down a mountain?", then realize oh wait they want Four Weddings and a Funderal so I cross out all those words, but then realize Four Weddings is 1994 and I don't have time to write it anyway, with 2 seconds to go is there any mark or symbol I can draw that indicates I want to say the crossed out thing after all? Is that what "stet" means and is there any chance J! would accept that?

[seaborgium]

http://www.j-archive.com/showgame.php?game_id=4717

That reminds me of a similar occurrence (contestant crosses out a correct response, replaces it with a response named in the clue) in the Teachers Tournament just a few months later. He didn't cost himself the game, but he did miss out on a wild card. [edit: not only that, but he went from $8,600 to $0 while the last wild card got in with $4,600.] http://www.j-archive.com/showgame.php?game_id=4806

[MarkBarrett]

Here is the video I've shared previous about this unfortunate FJ! round: https://youtu.be/Tr5gch9tA3s

[talkingaway]

William Toren was a 2x champ who lost over $35,000 in pre-doubling money by crossing out a correct response (or most of one) and replacing it with an incorrect one in both his wins. (He lost his third game with a single, non–crossed-out response, but it was a sole miss from second place so he wasn't going to win it anyway.) His first game: http://www.j-archive.com/showgame.php?game_id=1964

http://www.j-archive.com/showgame.php?game_id=1966

Wow, pretty interesting acceptance of Susan's "Who is Johnson?" in William's Game 3, after Alex verbally asking her which President Johnson she meant. I wonder if that plays out differently if she is leading and thus revealed last?

As a practical matter, I have absolutely no problem in this case accepting the answer with the last name only, since I think we can safely assume no reasonable person would ever believe Andrew Johnson was around to watch an episode of 60 Minutes. Now, if it had been "President who had been elected the week prior to the premiere of Murphy Brown", and you put "Bush"...well, that's pushing it. I know that in a vacuum, the two cases are pretty much the same, and in non-FJ! clues they have BMSed for Teddy vs Franklin Roosevelt even when the correct response was painfully clear. But there IS a point where you have to say, "Well, yes, we KNOW exactly what you meant, and you put enough information down to prove it to us."

Of course, it's better to avoid those kinds of clues for FJ!. I might be tempted to respond with "Curie" for an obvious Pierre clue, not remembering that there are two other viable responses.

I've always wondered if someone has ever erased 2 or 3 wrong answers and had to resort to the backup sharpie/notecard combo. From what I understand, there's no contestant-accessible "CLEAR SCREEN" button, for obvious reasons - hit that button at the last second by mistake, and catastrophe.

[opusthepenguin]

As a practical matter, I have absolutely no problem in this case accepting the answer with the last name only, since I think we can safely assume no reasonable person would ever believe Andrew Johnson was around to watch an episode of 60 Minutes.

Not if they knew Andrew was the 19th century one anyway. But what if that's just the trouble? Maybe the contestant can never keep straight which one was Andrew and which was Lyndon. So they hide their shame by saying "Who is Johnson?" Not on my watch, buddy! I want to hear that they know the correct first name.

[Robert K S]

I did an archive search for "crossed out" and it brought up a bunch of FJ! clues. Reading through a few had various scenarios.

Here is another besides the ones posted above: http://www.j-archive.com/showgame.php?game_id=265

If any Archive FJ!s still say "crossed out" in the response fields they ought to be updated. We used that before we adopted the "del" tag for doing strikethroughs.

[Robert K S]

Does anybody with a recording or a good memory have an idea what Aiden crossed out in this game? http://j-archive.com/showgame.php?game_id=1972