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seaborgium wrote: Wed Nov 24, 2021 11:17 am Is it indeed the ten-minute version of "All Too Well" that's at #1 on the Hot 100? I've seen the record-breaking touted by everyone except Billboard themselves (and considering Tool's "Fear Inoculum" got a Billboard headline for being the longest Hot 100 song ever after it peaked at #93, official word here is conspicuous in its absence). The #1 listing on Billboard.com says "All Too Well (Taylor's Version)," and my understanding is that the track of this name is a fairly faithful re-recording of the 2012 song, while the one with "(Ten-Minute Version)" in the title is the extended cut.

(Note: Even if it is the ten-minute version, Tool still has the duration record for Hot 100 singles.)
Billboard combines the 5- and 10- minute versions:

https://www.billboard.com/music/chart-b ... 235001340/
“All Too Well (Taylor’s Version)” was released on Red (Taylor’s Version) Nov. 12 on Republic Records, via two versions on the set: its 5-minute, 29-second and 10-minute, 13-second versions, both of which are combined into one listing on Billboard‘s charts. (The song’s original 5-minute, 29-second 2012 version is tracked separately.)
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cinemaniax7 wrote: Wed Nov 24, 2021 10:06 am At 10 minutes and 13 seconds, Taylor Swift’s extended version of “All Too Well” is now the longest-playing #1 hit of all time, replacing Don McLean’s “American Pie.” According to Billboard, McLean's song, which runs 8 minutes and 37 seconds, had held the distinction for nearly 50 years since hitting #1 in January 1972.

The day the music died, indeed.
We would also have accepted, "So it's bye bye [Miss] American Pie".
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Volante wrote: Wed Nov 24, 2021 11:26 am Billboard combines the 5- and 10- minute versions:

https://www.billboard.com/music/chart-b ... 235001340/
“All Too Well (Taylor’s Version)” was released on Red (Taylor’s Version) Nov. 12 on Republic Records, via two versions on the set: its 5-minute, 29-second and 10-minute, 13-second versions, both of which are combined into one listing on Billboard‘s charts. (The song’s original 5-minute, 29-second 2012 version is tracked separately.)
Thanks for the clarification. The article plays havoc with my phone browser and prevents me from seeing the whole thing. That distinction gives it a Maris-esque asterisk in my mind.
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seaborgium wrote: Wed Nov 24, 2021 12:11 pm
Volante wrote: Wed Nov 24, 2021 11:26 am Billboard combines the 5- and 10- minute versions:

https://www.billboard.com/music/chart-b ... 235001340/
“All Too Well (Taylor’s Version)” was released on Red (Taylor’s Version) Nov. 12 on Republic Records, via two versions on the set: its 5-minute, 29-second and 10-minute, 13-second versions, both of which are combined into one listing on Billboard‘s charts. (The song’s original 5-minute, 29-second 2012 version is tracked separately.)
Thanks for the clarification. The article plays havoc with my phone browser and prevents me from seeing the whole thing. That distinction gives it a Maris-esque asterisk in my mind.
Co-signed. I feel the same way about the multipokle remixes of "Old Town Road".
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seaborgium wrote: Wed Nov 24, 2021 11:17 am Is it indeed the ten-minute version of "All Too Well" that's at #1 on the Hot 100? I've seen the record-breaking touted by everyone except Billboard themselves (and considering Tool's "Fear Inoculum" got a Billboard headline for being the longest Hot 100 song ever after it peaked at #93, official word here is conspicuous in its absence). The #1 listing on Billboard.com says "All Too Well (Taylor's Version)," and my understanding is that the track of this name is a fairly faithful re-recording of the 2012 song, while the one with "(Ten-Minute Version)" in the title is the extended cut.

(Note: Even if it is the ten-minute version, Tool still has the duration record for Hot 100 singles.)
duration record? do you mean longest time in the Hot 100? If you do, isn't that currently led by Blinding Lights?
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triviawayne wrote: Wed Nov 24, 2021 3:39 pm duration record? do you mean longest time in the Hot 100?
No, longest song
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Robert K S wrote: Wed Nov 24, 2021 3:39 pm
triviawayne wrote: Wed Nov 24, 2021 3:39 pm duration record? do you mean longest time in the Hot 100?
No, longest song
how does that work when Taylor's song is 10 minutes and has the record? what am I missing in this?
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In case anyone is wondering about the shortest #1, I believe that is "Stay" at 1:38
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triviawayne wrote: Wed Nov 24, 2021 3:43 pm
Robert K S wrote: Wed Nov 24, 2021 3:39 pm
triviawayne wrote: Wed Nov 24, 2021 3:39 pm duration record? do you mean longest time in the Hot 100?
No, longest song
how does that work when Taylor's song is 10 minutes and has the record? what am I missing in this?
Hers is the longest #1. Tool's is the longest in the Top 100.
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econgator wrote: Wed Nov 24, 2021 3:49 pm
triviawayne wrote: Wed Nov 24, 2021 3:43 pm
Robert K S wrote: Wed Nov 24, 2021 3:39 pm
triviawayne wrote: Wed Nov 24, 2021 3:39 pm duration record? do you mean longest time in the Hot 100?
No, longest song
how does that work when Taylor's song is 10 minutes and has the record? what am I missing in this?
Hers is the longest #1. Tool's is the longest in the Top 100.
now i've got it...thank you
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teapot37 wrote: Fri Nov 26, 2021 5:51 pm Legendary Broadway scribe Stephen Sondheim has died at age 91.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/11/26/thea ... -dead.html
This is one I really could see with a tribute category, or just more clues in the future. He was a towering figure in American theater. Note that his reputation was built as a lyricist and composer - "scribe" isn't really the word.
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DBear wrote: Mon Dec 06, 2021 11:53 am https://www.cnbc.com/2021/12/06/jack-in ... -deal.html

Jack-in-the-Box buys out Del Taco.
Great. Just what Del Taco needs. Cockroaches and E. coli. If I wanted that I'd go to Chipotle.
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opusthepenguin wrote: Mon Dec 06, 2021 2:05 pm
DBear wrote: Mon Dec 06, 2021 11:53 am https://www.cnbc.com/2021/12/06/jack-in ... -deal.html

Jack-in-the-Box buys out Del Taco.
Great. Just what Del Taco needs. Cockroaches and E. coli. If I wanted that I'd go to Chipotle.
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nserven wrote: Sun Dec 12, 2021 8:37 am Voters in the South Pacific island territory of New Caledonia vote for the territory to remain a part of France.
Which, due to an obscure provision in the Edict of Nantes, means Elizabeth is still their queen.
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Volante wrote: Wed Nov 24, 2021 11:26 am Billboard combines the 5- and 10- minute versions:

https://www.billboard.com/music/chart-b ... 235001340/
“All Too Well (Taylor’s Version)” was released on Red (Taylor’s Version) Nov. 12 on Republic Records, via two versions on the set: its 5-minute, 29-second and 10-minute, 13-second versions, both of which are combined into one listing on Billboard‘s charts. (The song’s original 5-minute, 29-second 2012 version is tracked separately.)
I've questions regarding Billboard's treatment of this song.

What might be a good reason for Billboard to have combined the two versions of the song into one chart entry?

Other albums, by other artists, have included multiple versions of the same "base" charting song, and those multiple song versions were not fused together into a combined Billboard chart construct. Nor were any of the songs' secondary versions' characteristics cherry-picked and then applied to the whole in order to earn recognition of the song as an outstanding achievement.

The language used here by Billboard implies that there is only one song: The article uses "All Too Well (Taylor's Version)" to represent both the shorter version of the song usually named thereby, as well as the longer version of the song, the longer version of which is almost always identified in other places (including in other places on the Billboard website) as "All Too Well (10 Minute Version)".

This song has become a record-setter in the Longest Song Duration category via the application of some dubious rationale.

My second query regards the use of the word "set" in the quoted excerpt from the Billboard website. In other places on the same website, the Billboard charts identify Red (Taylor's Version) as an "album" in the standard manner.

In the context of musicians and their recording process, the word "set" has the meaning of "the music recorded at one session." Yet the word has no such application here. If Billboard intends to further dilute the traditional concept of the music album by propagating the notion of songs organized into less-formal collections (such as is seen in the practice of artists releasing "playlists"), then we arrive at another question. Which role best suits Billboard: Gatekeeper or iconoclast? Can that beast thrive which is a cat of variegated stripes?

As an authoritative source of pop music news and information, Billboard abrogates its responsibility by employing inscrutable reasoning and sloppy word usage. By these acts Billboard has liquidated a portion of its finite store of precious cultural cachet. It may be that the amount of this debit is never recovered.

Billboard does as it will—thus Billboard pays the price.
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bluejaylink wrote: Fri Dec 17, 2021 1:19 pm NYT Quiz: Notable People of 2021

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/202 ... -quiz.html


I got paywalled when I clicked the link from another site. I was able to get in by Google searching the article.
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MarkBarrett wrote: Sat Dec 18, 2021 1:39 am If you can get access to the quiz it is worth doing. I guessed Greene for a bunch of ones I did not recognize and was wrong every time.
I alternated between her and
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I also chose Google search to access and it worked fine.
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I recognized GIannis Antetokounmpo but I had no idea how to spell his name. I probably should have at least tried entering his first name, but I didn't think about it until later.
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clprez wrote: Sat Dec 18, 2021 2:50 pm I recognized GIannis Antetokounmpo but I had no idea how to spell his name. I probably should have at least tried entering his first name, but I didn't think about it until later.
Giannis was accepted. The jury is out if "Greek Freak" would've been accepted.

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