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So am I the only person who's actually read the freaking book, many times, and STILL got this wrong? No idea how I ended up so far off course on this.
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My 5-year-old never got this book, so the closest I could come up with was Ten Little Ladybugs.

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Rackme32 wrote:
Thu Jan 14, 2021 10:37 pm
Anyone see something wrong in this clue?

"Monarchos in 2001 & this horse in 1973, still the record holder, are the only horses to run the Kentucky Derby in under 2 minutes."
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The response taken (Secretariat) is still correct even if the clue were given properly, but the clue should actually have read "Monarchos in 2001 & this horse in 1973, still the record holder, are the only horses to WIN the Kentucky Derby in under 2 minutes."

In finishing 2nd to Secretariat, Sham also broke 2 minutes.
I noticed that too, though I believe there is a technical out. Let's go to Wikipedia for the call:
By running 2​1⁄2 lengths behind Secretariat, Sham ran the distance in either 1:59​4⁄5 to 2:00​1⁄5. As races were not timed to 1/100th of a second at the time, and non-winning times were not taken, no exact time is available.

However, considering the terminal velocity of the horses and the distance in lengths, Phil Dandrea estimates the gap between Secretariat and Sham at 0.348 seconds. This is confirmed by the CBS footage of the race in which Sham crosses the finish line 10 frames behind Secretariat. At a rate of 29.97 frames per second, it translates into a 0.34 seconds gap between the two horses at the wire. As, by definition, Secretariat's official winning time of 1:59​2⁄5 is the equivalent of a time between 1:59.40 and 1:59.59 with 1/100th precision, Sham's time can be estimated between 1:59.74 and 1:59.93, making him the second fastest horse in Kentucky Derby history.
So although Sham almost certainly did finish in under two minutes, only the winning* horse's time is officially recorded.

* where winning = crossing the finish line first -- even if that horse is subsequently disqualified, its time still stands (which is why on kentuckyderby.com's list of Kentucky Derby Winners, the times given for 2019 and 1968 are not the actual times for the corresponding horses...similar to how spellingbee.com has long listed "meticulosity" as Diana Reynard's winning word even though she never had to spell it)

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This Is Kirk! wrote:
Thu Jan 14, 2021 11:42 pm
DBear wrote:
Thu Jan 14, 2021 5:39 pm
1500 meters (doesn't anyone know metric?) :x
I couldn't believe all three negged badly on that one! :D
I gave the only good neg - 1600 meters, which, if it were a distance commonly run, would really be the best "metric mile". And it makes sense...100 meters, 200 meters, 400 meters, 800 meters...what's next? Of course, I assume that it has to do with the track and how some races are staggered and others are run en masse.

My excuse for forgetting 1500 meters is that, because of COVID, it's been almost 5 years since I've watched any track and field, because of the Olympics. I can give a little bit of credit to 10,000 meters as jumping the gun, so to speak - not quite enough time to process the whole clue, just like the folks who answered "inch/foot/mile" for a NON-imperial measure on Monday's show. But 10 meters is one of those responses that I imagine a contestant would like to erase from everyone's memory, Men In Black-style.

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A mile is 1,609.34 meters. So a 1600 does make for a better metric mile.

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A lot to write in 30 seconds, but I was happy to get FJ since the Eric Carle Museum is in our coverage area and always on my radar.
I’ve been to the Eric Carle Museum (in Amherst, MA, for those wondering) a couple of times with my kids, including once for Caterpillar Day, so that was an instaget for me. Plus, it was my wife’s precall when the category was announced.

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talkingaway wrote:
Fri Jan 15, 2021 4:22 pm
I gave the only good neg - 1600 meters, which, if it were a distance commonly run, would really be the best "metric mile". And it makes sense...100 meters, 200 meters, 400 meters, 800 meters...what's next? Of course, I assume that it has to do with the track and how some races are staggered and others are run en masse.
That's a great question, actually. Swimming also does the 1500, but I'm assuming that's just following track's lead.

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This Is Kirk! wrote:
Sat Jan 16, 2021 12:33 am
talkingaway wrote:
Fri Jan 15, 2021 4:22 pm
I gave the only good neg - 1600 meters, which, if it were a distance commonly run, would really be the best "metric mile". And it makes sense...100 meters, 200 meters, 400 meters, 800 meters...what's next? Of course, I assume that it has to do with the track and how some races are staggered and others are run en masse.
That's a great question, actually. Swimming also does the 1500, but I'm assuming that's just following track's lead.
Reading a little bit about it, it seems a few US high schools do run 1600 meters as a "metric mile", so the term alone "metric mile" could refer to 1500 m or 1600 m. So, that sours me on the clue a little - it requires knowing who Hicham El Guerrouj is - a retired Moroccan middle distance runner who holds records in 1500 m, the mile, and 2000 m. No record for the 1600 meters, so it's pinned, so I'm technically wrong and I'd have no complaints to the judges. I would, however, complain to the writers.

The other part of the clue that actually goes in my favor is the term "just a bit shorter". My 1600 m is 99.42% of a mile, so I'd say that fits the "just a bit" clause. Their 1500 m is 93.21% of a mile. I dunno. If I buy $100 worth of groceries and only come home with $99.42 worth of groceries, I'd be "just a bit" short. If I came home with $93.21 worth of groceries, then I've dropped a couple of cartons of milk somewhere.

Of course, the clue is really about knowing the standard Olympic lengths for running, so I failed in that, and I'll take it on the chin.

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The clue also specified who held the record. High schools run the 1600 but the distance isn’t a recognized record by the international track federation.

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talkingaway wrote:
Sat Jan 16, 2021 1:36 am
This Is Kirk! wrote:
Sat Jan 16, 2021 12:33 am
talkingaway wrote:
Fri Jan 15, 2021 4:22 pm
I gave the only good neg - 1600 meters, which, if it were a distance commonly run, would really be the best "metric mile". And it makes sense...100 meters, 200 meters, 400 meters, 800 meters...what's next? Of course, I assume that it has to do with the track and how some races are staggered and others are run en masse.
That's a great question, actually. Swimming also does the 1500, but I'm assuming that's just following track's lead.
Reading a little bit about it, it seems a few US high schools do run 1600 meters as a "metric mile", so the term alone "metric mile" could refer to 1500 m or 1600 m. So, that sours me on the clue a little - it requires knowing who Hicham El Guerrouj is - a retired Moroccan middle distance runner who holds records in 1500 m, the mile, and 2000 m. No record for the 1600 meters, so it's pinned, so I'm technically wrong and I'd have no complaints to the judges. I would, however, complain to the writers.

The other part of the clue that actually goes in my favor is the term "just a bit shorter". My 1600 m is 99.42% of a mile, so I'd say that fits the "just a bit" clause. Their 1500 m is 93.21% of a mile. I dunno. If I buy $100 worth of groceries and only come home with $99.42 worth of groceries, I'd be "just a bit" short. If I came home with $93.21 worth of groceries, then I've dropped a couple of cartons of milk somewhere.

Of course, the clue is really about knowing the standard Olympic lengths for running, so I failed in that, and I'll take it on the chin.
Yes, the 1600 meter does exist and was a totally reasonble wrong answer here. Someone might even have run it in high school or someone could have a child that currently runs it in high school so they'd have my sympathy if they negged here. But the 1500 has been run in every modern Summer Olympics so it's totally reasonable to ask about.

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Here is a story about Jennifer from local media. It was posted after Thursday’s game but references FJs from earlier in the week.

https://www.al.com/life/2021/01/alabama ... champ.html

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This Is Kirk! wrote:
Sat Jan 16, 2021 12:33 am
talkingaway wrote:
Fri Jan 15, 2021 4:22 pm
I gave the only good neg - 1600 meters, which, if it were a distance commonly run, would really be the best "metric mile". And it makes sense...100 meters, 200 meters, 400 meters, 800 meters...what's next? Of course, I assume that it has to do with the track and how some races are staggered and others are run en masse.
That's a great question, actually. Swimming also does the 1500, but I'm assuming that's just following track's lead.
Long course (often called Olympic sized) swimming pools are 50 meters, so when organized swimming wanted a long distance swimming event, 1500 meters seemed natural.

The US short course (short course being a 25 yard pool) long distance event is the 1650 yard race, often called “the mile” even though it’s 110 yards short of a mile. I always wondered why they didn’t make it 1750 yards.

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Sat Jan 16, 2021 11:12 pm
The US short course (short course being a 25 yard pool) long distance event is the 1650 yard race, often called “the mile” even though it’s 110 yards short of a mile. I always wondered why they didn’t make it 1750 yards.
My assumption is they made it as close to 1500 meters as possible. 1650 yds is 1509 m.

I'm well aware of this being an event, by the way. I'm a swimmer and distance freestyle is my specialty.

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talkingaway wrote:
Sat Jan 16, 2021 1:36 am
This Is Kirk! wrote:
Sat Jan 16, 2021 12:33 am
talkingaway wrote:
Fri Jan 15, 2021 4:22 pm
I gave the only good neg - 1600 meters, which, if it were a distance commonly run, would really be the best "metric mile". And it makes sense...100 meters, 200 meters, 400 meters, 800 meters...what's next? Of course, I assume that it has to do with the track and how some races are staggered and others are run en masse.
That's a great question, actually. Swimming also does the 1500, but I'm assuming that's just following track's lead.
Reading a little bit about it, it seems a few US high schools do run 1600 meters as a "metric mile", so the term alone "metric mile" could refer to 1500 m or 1600 m. So, that sours me on the clue a little - it requires knowing who Hicham El Guerrouj is - a retired Moroccan middle distance runner who holds records in 1500 m, the mile, and 2000 m. No record for the 1600 meters, so it's pinned, so I'm technically wrong and I'd have no complaints to the judges. I would, however, complain to the writers.

The other part of the clue that actually goes in my favor is the term "just a bit shorter". My 1600 m is 99.42% of a mile, so I'd say that fits the "just a bit" clause. Their 1500 m is 93.21% of a mile. I dunno. If I buy $100 worth of groceries and only come home with $99.42 worth of groceries, I'd be "just a bit" short. If I came home with $93.21 worth of groceries, then I've dropped a couple of cartons of milk somewhere.

Of course, the clue is really about knowing the standard Olympic lengths for running, so I failed in that, and I'll take it on the chin.
I dithered between 1500 and 1600 before remembering that the Olympic distance is 1500. Most high schools have 400-meter tracks, and the NCAA specifies 400 meters for college tracks. I've seen college track meets with four full laps in an event, but I've also seen meets where they run a 1500 by starting near the first curve, and they run 3.75 laps with the finish line immediately after the final turn.

I don't run unless someone is chasing me, so I have no direct experience since running miles on a 440-yard track in high school many moons ago.
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