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FJ! almost stumped me because I knew that the book came out well before the movie. I also had heard ( in a SHC maybe?) that at one point the book was called Catch-18. The 'casino heist movie' finally convinced me Catch-22 had to be right.
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For Tool Shed I had no problem figuring out compass even though I think of the instrument more for drafting or math than fitting with saws and such.

The Lincoln category's first four I could have guessed without seeing the clues. The Stanton quote was a good one for the last box as I failed to recall that one in time even though I knew I had seen it recently in the Bill O'Reilly book. The DD in the third box would have been $800 like Stephanie's wager plus whatever else I had on the scoreboard.

That DJ round got me good with skunks in both Art Terms and "Sin"full. Ducks was just about as bad in getting teal, but giving it right back trying barge for raft. Guessing Nashville for Memphis was one where it would help to be second best on the buzzer.

Rookie Blue for $2000 in TV Characters? I think it was worth at least $3000.

For the FJ clue doubling eleven to get to 22 and naming a novel doesn't take long. Bamaman working with 225.5 gave me good laugh and I'm glad he kept working on the clue.

Stephanie's time between tapings let her recharge to be ready for another strong Monday. Ricky and John have to be cursing the luck of the draw. Boards, buzzer, or opponents can all sink you before you know where the half hour went.
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With six wins & $123,970, Stephanie moves into second place in the 2011-13 ToC standings.
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MarkBarrett wrote:For Tool Shed I had no problem figuring out compass even though I think of the instrument more for drafting or math than fitting with saws and such.

The Lincoln category's first four I could have guessed without seeing the clues. The Stanton quote was a good one for the last box as I failed to recall that one in time even though I knew I had seen it recently in the Bill O'Reilly book. The DD in the third box would have been $800 like Stephanie's wager plus whatever else I had on the scoreboard.

That DJ round got me good with skunks in both Art Terms and "Sin"full. Ducks was just about as bad in getting teal, but giving it right back trying barge for raft. Guessing Nashville for Memphis was one where it would help to be second best on the buzzer.

Rookie Blue for $2000 in TV Characters? I think it was worth at least $3000.

For the FJ clue doubling eleven to get to 22 and naming a novel doesn't take long. Bamaman working with 225.5 gave me good laugh and I'm glad he kept working on the clue.

Stephanie's time between tapings let her recharge to be ready for another strong Monday. Ricky and John have to be cursing the luck of the draw. Boards, buzzer, or opponents can all sink you before you know where the half hour went.
I don't agree with you on that Tennessee clue as I can't name more than one suburb of Nashville of the top of my head. And yeah, Rookie Blue was a baadddddddddddd show. It seems recent TV shows always feature Two and a Half Men and The Big Bang Theory.

Also David's comment on not being able to think of a novel that has a "22" in its title is quite funny. haha
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DJ! board ate me alive for some reason. Answers never came, went 9R/2W...and I had such a good J! board too.

Final was an instant, then about halfway through I figured out the movie they were referencing (cause I realized I had time to kill).

Here's some random trivia...they seem to have the death bed in the Petersen House fully enclosed in plexiglass now. When I visited, near 20 years ago, only the pillow was enclosed. Rest of the bed was open air. (Why I remember that, heck if I know...)
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MarkBarrett wrote:Guessing Nashville for Memphis was one where it would help to be second best on the buzzer.
*nod*

Nashville -- 601,222
Memphis -- 646,889

It's not like it's a runaway.
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Paucle wrote:DrJ, my mom called me to mention she noticed you have roses on every top you've worn so far. She asked me "I wonder if there's something behind that?" So, now I'm asking!
There's nothing meaningful there; I just like embellished tops/sweaters, and that's what Target is selling these days ;)

Thanks for the kind words, folks. I was feeling rejuvenated on Monday, and the boards had lots of categories that I liked today. I was pretty excited about Sic Semper Tyrannus -- I've had that nugget sitting there in my brain and it just popped forward at the right time. (My dad, a serious Lincoln scholar, knew all the rest!)

By the time this episode taped, my husband had found out about the women's record, so I was gunning for that going forward.
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Volante wrote:Here's some random trivia...they seem to have the death bed in the Petersen House fully enclosed in plexiglass now. When I visited, near 20 years ago, only the pillow was enclosed. Rest of the bed was open air. (Why I remember that, heck if I know...)
When I was there in 2010, it was enclosed by plexi on 2 sides (and the walls on the other 2). The top was open.
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econgator wrote:
Volante wrote:Here's some random trivia...they seem to have the death bed in the Petersen House fully enclosed in plexiglass now. When I visited, near 20 years ago, only the pillow was enclosed. Rest of the bed was open air. (Why I remember that, heck if I know...)
When I was there in 2010, it was enclosed by plexi on 2 sides (and the walls on the other 2). The top was open.
Well...hard to tell that from the video clue!

Still more than there was before. :D
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econgator wrote:
MarkBarrett wrote:Guessing Nashville for Memphis was one where it would help to be second best on the buzzer.
*nod*

Nashville -- 601,222
Memphis -- 646,889
Wow, I didn't think Memphis was anywhere near that. I didn't think BNA because I know it has a lot of suburbs, and wasn't sure if they were going for MSA or city proper. I almost said Knoxville after Nashville was negged.
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Bamaman wrote:I've never heard sic semper tyrannus used anywhere other than Lincoln's murder. Where else have you heard it?

Specifically, in a FJ! c. late 1980s (sorry, couldn't remember the date).
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TenPoundHammer wrote:I remembered reading something about Catch-22 once being called "Catch-18", so it was the first book I ruled out.
Austin Powers wrote:I always thought Catch-22 was once Catch-18, but was changed to 22 because Mila 18 by Leon Uris was coming out.
When the clue came out, I called out "I know this one!", I had read an article recently on, yup, mental_floss, about edits to famous works that turned out for the better, the first one is about Catch-22 and the process its name went through, they said pretty much the same stuff that econgator quoted off Wikipedia in reply #7, but you should read it anyways, because, come on, it's mental_floss. I only jsut started reading it (online) this month, and it already has got me some pretty sweet gets and I believe recently helped a champ (either Brendan or Stephanie, forget which) get their FJ! as well. I'm going to go out and say that it should be required reading for anyone who wants to get on the show, and I"m not just saying that because I hope that my public shilling will get me a paid subscription so that I can improve my own chances of getting on ... :)
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I think Alex would have spotted her the extra $30 from his own pocket. :)
Nicci wrote:Hi, just a quick question: Didn't it state " this STATE'S capital......" So the answer would have been "what is California?" Not the accepted answer " what is Sacramento?" Did anyone else hear that?
Hi, Nicco! You misheard, I just finished watching my tape and it indeed said "this state capital", so "Sacramento" is correct. Hopefully soon, the "official"* transcript of the show will be up at j-archive.com and this will verify that.

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bpmod wrote:
Bamaman wrote:I've never heard sic semper tyrannus used anywhere other than Lincoln's murder. Where else have you heard it?
Isn't it the state motto of one of those states? Virginia, maybe?
Almost certainly where I heard it. In any event, I see far more uses on Wikipedia than just Lincoln's murder.
I could see how it would be used on Wikipedia a lot, some of those edit wars can get NASTY!

WikipediaUser6969: "Sic semper tyrannis!" *revert article*

I figured John was the only one introduced as a "camp counselor" on the show (well, of course besides Stefan), but searching gives one other. All of them are introduced with "day jobs" as well, guess camp counselling doesn't pay well ...
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Nicci wrote:Hi, just a quick question: Didn't it state " this STATE'S capital......" So the answer would have been "what is California?" Not the accepted answer " what is Sacramento?" Did anyone else hear that?
I think the category was CITY founders, so no.
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billy pilgrim wrote:
Nicci wrote:Hi, just a quick question: Didn't it state " this STATE'S capital......" So the answer would have been "what is California?" Not the accepted answer " what is Sacramento?" Did anyone else hear that?
I think the category was CITY founders, so no.
That was the category, but if it did say "this state's capital", there might not be a correct answer, as that wording would clearly want a state.

However, the wording was "this state capital", so it's moot on that point.
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dhkendall wrote:
Nicci wrote:Hi, just a quick question: Didn't it state " this STATE'S capital......" So the answer would have been "what is California?" Not the accepted answer " what is Sacramento?" Did anyone else hear that?
Hi, Nicco! You misheard, I just finished watching my tape and it indeed said "this state capital", so "Sacramento" is correct. Hopefully soon, the "official"* transcript of the show will be up at j-archive.com and this will verify that.
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MarkBarrett wrote:The Lincoln category's first four I could have guessed without seeing the clues. The Stanton quote was a good one for the last box as I failed to recall that one in time even though I knew I had seen it recently in the Bill O'Reilly book. The DD in the third box would have been $800 like Stephanie's wager plus whatever else I had on the scoreboard.
me too. i was hoping that an american history category + only 3rd row clue would finally let us see a big bet here, but perhaps derringer at $400 scared her off. or perhaps the fact that the first clue took alex 20 minutes (estimated) to actually get around to asking something had her worried about losing the thread of the clue, as happened to dr. tom vaughn on the medicine DD in this game.

i didn't know the last words, but i was able to get stanton because his position as secretary of war led directly to andrew johnson's impeachment. stanton was a holdover in johnson's cabinet, which was critical because the pretense for impeachment was violation of the tenure of office act.
thenextofken wrote:Thing is, she hasn't really needed to bet big, judging by the fact that her wins consist of four locks and two crushes. Today she was so far ahead in DJ there really wasn't a whole lot of point to risking letting her two opponents back into the game.
this doesn't let her off the hook for lincoln. in the first round, no matter how big your lead is, it's not safe. even early in the second round, a big lead isn't safe. in my 6th game, i hit the first DD of the second round on a bottom-row clue with the scores 14200-3200-3000. i bet it all and got it right; if i'd bet $2000 (stephanie's largest bet to date, unless i'm forgetting one), then i would have likely* gone into FJ without a lock. (i say likely because i don't know how much i would have bet on the second DD—which i missed—if i'd had a smaller lead. i can't imagine i would have utterly turtled up there, so i'm guessing it wouldn't have been a lock.) and in fact, i missed that FJ, although both of my opponents did too.

anyway, i'm not advocating betting big willy-nilly; i'm advocating wagering big when doing so increases your chances of winning. for a player with a super-strong knowledge base like stephanie (or, to name the most comparable player i can think of, dave madden, who got a remarkable 96% of his DDs right during his run, but rarely wagered more than $2k on them), a DD in the 2nd or 3rd row is almost a dead cinch. leaving that money on the table is opening yourself up to being caught, especially if you have a spotty record in FJ. and in the first round, except in rare cases*, there's so much game left (and so much money left) that you should essentially be trying to maximize your expected value rather than worrying about the relative scores. translation: if you judge your chances on the clue to be better than 50%, you should bet the max.
(* i actually think today's lincoln DD was one of those rare cases, because it was so late in the round and she was already ahead by so much. but i still think a hefty bet of $5000+ was called for, if not all $9k or $10k.)

having said all that, i want to congratulate stephanie on another dominating performance, this time capped by a successful response in FJ. fun to watch, as always. keep it up tomorrow! i pick the only nit i can, just because i want to see the highest level of play in the ToC.
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dhkendall wrote: I believe (Mental Floss) recently helped a champ (either Brendan or Stephanie, forget which) get their FJ! as well.
It was Erik's "Nixon in China" FJ, actually.
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billy pilgrim wrote:FJ! almost stumped me because I knew that the book came out well before the movie. I also had heard ( in a SHC maybe?) that at one point the book was called Catch-18. The 'casino heist movie' finally convinced me Catch-22 had to be right.
"Catch-18" was one of the "Famous Titles" from my TD, which you entered, so perhaps that's it. I would have guessed that that Catch 22 would have pre-dated Ocean's 11, but that did seem to be where the clue was pointing. (I figured that if it wasn't the response, Catch-22 would have been massive neg bait)

I was a bit surprised that Alex was familiar with Upper Canada College, the school mentioned by the second contestant, though I hadn't realized until looking it up that Alex finished high school in Toronto. (I also then learned that Alex went to a high school located on the same street that I live on in Ottawa - about a 1/2 mile down - with his University being about the same distance away in the other direction... ironic*)

I'm interested to see the wording for the "Rookie Blue" clue when it appears the archive . I skimmed it, saw 'blah blah blah cop show set in Toronto' and assumed it was about "Flashpoint". I wasn't surprised when the Torontonian rang in and said just that, but was rather surprised when Alex said no.

*the word seems to have a different definition in Ottawa, see Alanis Morissette's song for examples of how some Ottawans use the term.
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econgator wrote:
I went straight from Ocean's Eleven to Catch-22. Done.

Here's what wiki s
wikipedia wrote:The title is a reference to a fictional bureaucratic stipulation which embodies forms of illogical and immoral reasoning. The opening chapter of the novel was originally published in New World Writing as Catch-18 in 1955, but Heller's agent, Candida Donadio, requested that he change the title of the novel, so it would not be confused with another recently published World War II novel, Leon Uris's Mila 18. The number 18 has special meaning in Judaism (it means Alive in Gematria) and was relevant to early drafts of the novel which had a somewhat greater Jewish emphasis.

The title Catch-11 was suggested, with the duplicated 1 paralleling the repetition found in a number of character exchanges in the novel, but because of the release of the 1960 movie Ocean's Eleven, this was also rejected. Catch-17 was rejected so as not to be confused with the World War II film Stalag 17, as was Catch-14, apparently because the publisher did not feel that 14 was a "funny number." Eventually the title came to be Catch-22, which, like 11, has a duplicated digit, with the 2 also referring to a number of déjà vu-like events common in the novel.
It's worth pointing out that this Wikipedia reference is sourced to an academic volume on "The Compositional Histories of Notable American Writings." I'd only heard the "Mila 18" story myself, but the clue was explicit enough to make "Catch 22" a pretty easy get.
There's another tradition that what Stanton said was "Now he belongs to the angels." I assume they would have accepted that as well.
A very good New Yorker article from a few years ago on the subject-
http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2007 ... act_gopnik
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marpocky wrote:That's the only one I didn't get from the category (well, you told us the answer, but I'm counting it as a miss since I wouldn't have made the right guess). NHO that park.
That's the problem with some Stupid Answers clues — if you don't know, there are often far too many potential guesses. Reservoir Park? Queen's Park? Basin Park? Grace Park? Formerly Park? Called Park? This Park?
Or, especially since it's in the top box, just quote the clue back...Green Park. I doubt they really expected many players to have heard of it. And similarly, there's no more Pavlovian Chinese dish than Peking Duck, and the clue told you to drop the "g..."
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davey wrote:
TenPoundHammer wrote:That's the problem with some Stupid Answers clues — if you don't know, there are often far too many potential guesses. Reservoir Park? Queen's Park? Basin Park? Grace Park? Formerly Park? Called Park? This Park?
Or, especially since it's in the top box, just quote the clue back...Green Park. I doubt they really expected many players to have heard of it. And similarly, there's no more Pavlovian Chinese dish than Peking Duck, and the clue told you to drop the "g..."
Huh. I honestly can't say I've seen anything duck at our local Chinese restaurant, or any of the 40 billion others I've been to. I would've thought the most Pavlovian Chinese dish would be something like chow mein, egg foo yung, egg rolls, etc. I would've even thought of General Tso's Chicken before ever getting to the duck stuff.
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