It's what I said, so I'd give it to you.NoWhammies10 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 25, 2017 8:05 pmAlso, what the hell judges on that "PRE" clue? I had "preparation" on that. How were all those negged? Judges on "preparation"?

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It's what I said, so I'd give it to you.NoWhammies10 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 25, 2017 8:05 pmAlso, what the hell judges on that "PRE" clue? I had "preparation" on that. How were all those negged? Judges on "preparation"?
My thought process was similar. I couldn't make out exactly what the creature was (fish, bird, or what) but the rope around the neck was strongly suggestive of "that creature is weighing him down somehow, or being a burden." That together with "sailor" was enough to make it click for me.morbeedo wrote: ↑Mon Sep 25, 2017 9:25 pmTotally with you on that! but the rope around the neck was enough for me.mcsheffrey wrote: ↑Mon Sep 25, 2017 9:22 pmAm I the only one who was thrown off by the look of the statue? The sailor looked too modern for the 19th century and I had a tough time determining that the thing he was holding was a big bird.
That's pretty much how I got it as well. I went through an Iron Maiden phase in high school so it's definitely one of the British poems I'm more familiar with.skullturf wrote: ↑Mon Sep 25, 2017 10:44 pm
My thought process was similar. I couldn't make out exactly what the creature was (fish, bird, or what) but the rope around the neck was strongly suggestive of "that creature is weighing him down somehow, or being a burden." That together with "sailor" was enough to make it click for me.
That’s the thing, they may not have that “marginal sense of sports history”, I know I clammed the category at home.Anachronism wrote: ↑Mon Sep 25, 2017 10:18 pm
As someone who loves the sports categories, I was sorry to see that one come up today. The three answers we saw were ridiculously easy for someone who has even a marginal sense of NFL history. This may discourage future categories. Interesting that Allen played with the Raiders during 11 of their 13 seasons in Los Angeles, but none in Oakland.
Right; sports happens to be within my wheelhouse, but to others, questions on a category like Broadway or opera that would be on my personal nightmare board would be "trivially easy".dhkendall wrote: ↑Mon Sep 25, 2017 11:02 pmThat’s the thing, they may not have that “marginal sense of sports history”, I know I clammed the category at home.Anachronism wrote: ↑Mon Sep 25, 2017 10:18 pm
As someone who loves the sports categories, I was sorry to see that one come up today. The three answers we saw were ridiculously easy for someone who has even a marginal sense of NFL history. This may discourage future categories. Interesting that Allen played with the Raiders during 11 of their 13 seasons in Los Angeles, but none in Oakland.
I think they all pavlov'd to "Headless Horseman" and then couldn't shift gears in time after it was negged. Exactly the same thing I did.
Preventive and preventative can both be used as nouns, so if that was their reasoning for the neg, it's still bad.seaborgium wrote: ↑Mon Sep 25, 2017 11:08 pmNo definition beginning with "an action" will be defining anything but a noun. "Preventive," "preemptive," and "preventative" all describe the action in the definition quite well ("precautionary" too, for that matter), but none of them are or could be defined as such an action.
Yeah, she is a super nice person and it's sad that she'll have to endure some Internet attention of this flavor for a while. Also, keep in mind this was the very first game of the taping session, so that was likely only adding to her nerves. I spent a lot of time chatting with her during the morning warmups and (very quietly, of course) between her game and mine. I'm sure if she'd been picked for a different game or maybe even just had a longer stint in the warmup game, things could have gone differently for her. Maybe not a win (That Ivan/Dennis duel was epic), but certainly not the descent that she had.Ironhorse wrote: ↑Mon Sep 25, 2017 10:58 pmI feel so bad for Anupama. Clearly you have to be smart to at least make it that far but she seemed to be hit with the fatal combination of nervousness and a nightmare board. Now you have sites like TMZ writing articles making fun of her for her Colorado Rockies answer, and it leaves a bad taste in my mouth.
Citation needed. A "pre-emptive" action can certainly be defined as an action taken to prevent a dangerous outcome, and since it's J! and the word "action" is in the clue you don't have to repeat it. The clue as written was poorly constructed by not being pinned.seaborgium wrote: ↑Mon Sep 25, 2017 11:08 pmNo definition beginning with "an action" will be defining anything but a noun. "Preventive," "preemptive," and "preventative" all describe the action in the definition quite well ("precautionary" too, for that matter), but none of them are or could be defined as such an action.
Don't feel bad. I missed that one, too. I said Montana.
So you're saying it was a fair clue because we should all remember exact phrases from the dictionary? I mean, I don't think anyone's arguing that they didn't get their wording from some dictionary's definition of "precaution" somewhere. And I don't think anyone's arguing that some dictionary somewhere uses that exact wording for the several other words that would otherwise fit the clue.seaborgium wrote: ↑Tue Sep 26, 2017 12:20 amThis definition contains the exact quoted phrase. There's your pin. If you can find one for "preemptive" with the same phrase, I'll concede.
"Wagering Vikings?" Haven't heard of them. Are they players Minnesota has cut?
Hi there threearruda -threearruda wrote: ↑Mon Sep 25, 2017 8:18 pmVery surprised to see two consecutive finals dealing with poets.. Ah well, better for me as I wrote Coleridge in the first five seconds and didn't look back to ensure my fifth straight correct final. Helped that we're reading Lyrical Ballads in English class right now!![]()
Had a bad feeling at the top of the show that Ivan's wagering would be his undoing.
I suppose the backstop TS should have been a sign for what was to come with the NFL HOF category. My roomate and I got a good laugh. No problems picking up the LT there.
I didn't say it was fair, I said it was pinned because the clue was quoting verbatim (with quotation marks, to boot) from a dictionary definition of the word being clued. It's what I think of as a CYA pin: one that is in place only so TPTB have a solid excuse not to give credit for any other response that otherwise fits the (category and) definition. (Which is still not to say that I think any response that is only an adjective fits the definition, but I think "the clue was pinned" is a sturdier hill to die on.) I do think this type of pin, however, makes for lazy cluing and is an unsatisfying reason not to accept good-seeming responses. For example, if the clue had been the same but the category had been "PR"ESCHOOL instead of "PRE" SCHOOL, I likely would have responded with "prophylactic" and been in the same boat as hbomb (except for having responded with a word that has a noun definition). But given the definition I found, I'd grudgingly accept that no, "prophylactic" is not defined exactly as the clue quoted.opusthepenguin wrote: ↑Tue Sep 26, 2017 2:43 amSo you're saying it was a fair clue because we should all remember exact phrases from the dictionary? I mean, I don't think anyone's arguing that they didn't get their wording from some dictionary's definition of "precaution" somewhere. And I don't think anyone's arguing that some dictionary somewhere uses that exact wording for the several other words that would otherwise fit the clue.seaborgium wrote: ↑Tue Sep 26, 2017 12:20 amThis definition contains the exact quoted phrase. There's your pin. If you can find one for "preemptive" with the same phrase, I'll concede.
Agreed, but how many of the clues in question included a definition in quotation marks?dinghammer wrote: ↑Tue Sep 26, 2017 3:24 amAnd speaking of the entire history of the show, how many times has a contestant responded with an adjective when the clue clearly (much more clearly than that clue) pointed toward a noun and had it been accepted? Or vice versa? (This is a rhetorical question: the answer is "very many".)
Oh, yeah, Ichabod Crane was a surprising TS. Although I wasn't SURE that character was the one, he is certainly who I would have replied/guessed.Ironhorse wrote: ↑Mon Sep 25, 2017 10:58 pmThat's pretty much how I got it as well. I went through an Iron Maiden phase in high school so it's definitely one of the British poems I'm more familiar with.skullturf wrote: ↑Mon Sep 25, 2017 10:44 pm
My thought process was similar. I couldn't make out exactly what the creature was (fish, bird, or what) but the rope around the neck was strongly suggestive of "that creature is weighing him down somehow, or being a burden." That together with "sailor" was enough to make it click for me.
I was surprised Ichabod Crane was a TS.
I feel so bad for Anupama. Clearly you have to be smart to at least make it that far but she seemed to be hit with the fatal combination of nervousness and a nightmare board. Now you have sites like TMZ writing articles making fun of her for her Colorado Rockies answer, and it leaves a bad taste in my mouth.