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New old games in the J! Archive
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I added 12/21/95: http://www.j-archive.com/showgame.php?game_id=6807
Player pics of Dave Tucker, Diane Lilly & Sharon Croissant:
Tough QF round with coulda stayed pat and made semis, but didn't. Coulda bet and made semis, but bet nothing.
Player pics of Dave Tucker, Diane Lilly & Sharon Croissant:
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Yet another Bible category. Seems almost obligatory for a Seniors tournament. Fran ran the category. She definitely knew her shittim.MarkBarrett wrote: ↑Tue Aug 11, 2020 4:35 pm I added 7/12/95: http://www.j-archive.com/showgame.php?game_id=6799
Ugh, I hate stuff like dealing with that double Bogart movie clue.
Ran the Bogart category including getting my definite articles correct. I wouldn't have caused any trouble for a future archivist!
Is FJ missing a BY between WRITTEN and EUBIE? That's probably what kept me from getting it right.
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Ooof. $4500 in lach trash plus a solve on FJ gets me a win from podium 4. The players had a combined coryat of $13,600. Mine was over $22,000. (I let the Chrome app keep track and then didn't copy down the number before I left the page.)MarkBarrett wrote: ↑Wed Aug 12, 2020 12:13 pm I added 7/13/95: http://www.j-archive.com/showgame.php?game_id=6800
Not the finest moment in J! history and amazing all the clues were played.
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It was, though not anymore. Apologies.opusthepenguin wrote: ↑Sun Aug 16, 2020 1:12 pm ...
Is FJ missing a BY between WRITTEN and EUBIE? That's probably what kept me from getting it right.
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I added 12/22/95: http://www.j-archive.com/showgame.php?game_id=6808
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DOGS $400 - If I was on the portion of the staff that knows the clues ahead of time I would have taken all side bets on that clue going neg before (if at all) getting a correct response.
The FJ! clue gives me flashback to 2005 when I needed three tries to get in with the name for my only real buzzer frustration of the day.
What happened in QF1:
Ange: 7100+7100=14200
Parma: 8400+1600=10000 (WC1)
Nola: 5200+4800=10000 (WC2)
WC3 - Graham: 7300+2500=9800
WC4 - Darryl: 8700-300=8400
alternate - Diane: 8100+0=8100
couldawouldashoulda - Grace: 9300-2300=7000
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Ooh, another hit for Sioux Falls in the Archive, even if it is as a wrong guess.MarkBarrett wrote: ↑Sun Aug 16, 2020 11:53 am I added 12/21/95: http://www.j-archive.com/showgame.php?game_id=6807
Player pics of Dave Tucker, Diane Lilly & Sharon Croissant:Tough QF round with coulda stayed pat and made semis, but didn't. Coulda bet and made semis, but bet nothing.Spoiler
Is the first abbreviation in FJ correct? A google search indicates that it might be SNCB instead.
The FJ Clue, per The Resource:MarkBarrett wrote: ↑Sun Aug 16, 2020 6:11 pm
What happened in QF1:
Ange: 7100+7100=14200
Parma: 8400+1600=10000 (WC1)
Nola: 5200+4800=10000 (WC2)
WC3 - Graham: 7300+2500=9800
WC4 - Darryl: 8700-300=8400
alternate - Diane: 8100+0=8100
couldawouldashoulda - Grace: 9300-2300=7000
MUSICAL THEATRE: SONGS PERFORMED IN A 1960 MUSICAL ABOUT HER INCLUDED "BEAUTIFUL PEOPLE OF DENVER" & "I AIN'T DOWN YET"
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Mark I sent you a PM. I have more games to add.MarkBarrett wrote: ↑Sun Aug 16, 2020 6:11 pmIt was, though not anymore. Apologies.opusthepenguin wrote: ↑Sun Aug 16, 2020 1:12 pm ...
Is FJ missing a BY between WRITTEN and EUBIE? That's probably what kept me from getting it right.
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I added 12/22/95: http://www.j-archive.com/showgame.php?game_id=6808
Player pics of Mark Weissman, Phyllis Clark and Darryl Adams:Spoiler
DOGS $400 - If I was on the portion of the staff that knows the clues ahead of time I would have taken all side bets on that clue going neg before (if at all) getting a correct response.
The FJ! clue gives me flashback to 2005 when I needed three tries to get in with the name for my only real buzzer frustration of the day.
What happened in QF1:
Ange: 7100+7100=14200
Parma: 8400+1600=10000 (WC1)
Nola: 5200+4800=10000 (WC2)
WC3 - Graham: 7300+2500=9800
WC4 - Darryl: 8700-300=8400
alternate - Diane: 8100+0=8100
couldawouldashoulda - Grace: 9300-2300=7000
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Thank you, Myron. SNCB is correct and now fixed.
PM seen for some games not in the archive. Thank you for the heads up post as one of the board updates eliminated the emails that used to be sent to alert about a PM.
Edited to add: I've now downloaded the games to my computer, so you can delete them if you need Drive space.
PM seen for some games not in the archive. Thank you for the heads up post as one of the board updates eliminated the emails that used to be sent to alert about a PM.
Edited to add: I've now downloaded the games to my computer, so you can delete them if you need Drive space.
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FWIW, Mark and team, I think I fixed that bug that was affecting special characters in the correction suggestion system and on the administrative page that renders a listing of all the players. Let me know if you find any other instances of it lurking around.
I spent many hours over the last several weeks trying to figure out what the problem was and how to solve it. Turns out, I had actually already solved it and fixed it four years ago in one place in the Archive backend (but not everywhere) and left myself a note in the code comments with the solution. Finding that solution comment was one of those moments when you simultaneously revere yourself as a genius and pity yourself as an idiot.
I spent many hours over the last several weeks trying to figure out what the problem was and how to solve it. Turns out, I had actually already solved it and fixed it four years ago in one place in the Archive backend (but not everywhere) and left myself a note in the code comments with the solution. Finding that solution comment was one of those moments when you simultaneously revere yourself as a genius and pity yourself as an idiot.
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Are you exclusively looking for backend issues with special characters? I know of a couple frontend ones but I don't want to speak out of turn.Robert K S wrote: ↑Mon Aug 17, 2020 3:55 am FWIW, Mark and team, I think I fixed that bug that was affecting special characters in the correction suggestion system and on the administrative page that renders a listing of all the players. Let me know if you find any other instances of it lurking around.
I spent many hours over the last several weeks trying to figure out what the problem was and how to solve it. Turns out, I had actually already solved it and fixed it four years ago in one place in the Archive backend (but not everywhere) and left myself a note in the code comments with the solution. Finding that solution comment was one of those moments when you simultaneously revere yourself as a genius and pity yourself as an idiot.
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Oh, please speak up about all Archive bugs, of course. But maybe so as not to bore everyone here, e-mail or PM me through any of the usual channels.
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No errata.MarkBarrett wrote: ↑Wed Aug 12, 2020 4:30 pm I added 7/14/95: http://www.j-archive.com/showgame.php?game_id=6801
Rough dilemma/trilemma on DJ18 COMPOSERS $800: "Armida", an opera by this Czech composer, premiered in Prague in March 1904, 5 weeks before his death
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Dvořák. You've got three basic choices for "Czech composer"--Antonín Dvořák, Bedřich Smetana, and Leoš Janáček. They're all roughly contemporaneous so unless you know exact dates (Smetana 1824-1884, Dvořák 1841-1904, Janáček 1854-1928) the year in the clue won't help. They all died and were buried in their homeland, so Prague doesn't help unless you happen to know that Janáček died in Brno whereas both Dvořák and Smetana died in Prague. Basically, if you don't recognize the opera in this clue--and there's no reason you should. I certainly didn't--then this is a good time to clam.
A quick czech of the archive indicates that Janáček has never been a correct response to a clue and has only been mentioned in two clues. Outside an uber-TOC where they might be looking for something different but still gettable, rely on "Czech composer" being either Dvořák or Smetana with the odds roughly two to one in favor of Dvořák. If another contestant does you the favor of eliminating one, you can go with the other. In this case, however, Susan rang in to eliminate Janáček, who was never really in contention, and lost $800. Whether that helped Aaron to his correct response is anyone's guess. Personally, I'd have gone with Smetana if forced to guess. I remembered that Dvořák emigrated to the US (hence his final symphony no. 9 "From the New World") and did not realize he later returned home.
A quick czech of the archive indicates that Janáček has never been a correct response to a clue and has only been mentioned in two clues. Outside an uber-TOC where they might be looking for something different but still gettable, rely on "Czech composer" being either Dvořák or Smetana with the odds roughly two to one in favor of Dvořák. If another contestant does you the favor of eliminating one, you can go with the other. In this case, however, Susan rang in to eliminate Janáček, who was never really in contention, and lost $800. Whether that helped Aaron to his correct response is anyone's guess. Personally, I'd have gone with Smetana if forced to guess. I remembered that Dvořák emigrated to the US (hence his final symphony no. 9 "From the New World") and did not realize he later returned home.
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Pachelbel!
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Steve's response of "squatter" was accepted. Were they prepared for my response of "homesteader"? Yea or nay, judges? If yea, would I have gotten credit through immediate acceptance or later reversal?
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Forgetting the category, he went with Robert Browning rather than the correct Elizabeth Barrett Browning. Could he have gotten away with just "Browning"? I suspect that today (and maybe back then) they'd accept that on the grounds that the category removes any ambiguity. But as Aaron demonstrates, it's quite possible to mean the wrong one even so. That's why I'd draw the line in a slightly different place than I think today's judges would and require a BMS here. I'm not in the camp of those who want to eliminate the judgment calls and require a first name in all cases. But I can see their point given that it's impossible to frame a hard and fast rule--other than "always" or "never"--for when first names should be required.
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Nor have I seen the whole movie, but I've definitely seen and read the last line along with various references and parodies. Even though the quoted bit from the novel doesn't show up in the movie, it's easy to see where the thought is headed when a character says "I wish I could care what you do or where you go, but I can't".
Actually, I've changed my mind. I will share my strategy so my future opponents can realize how hopeless the situation is. In Aaron's situation I would bet everything in a "shock and awe" campaign of psychological warfare, thus demoralizing them with my huge final total when I got it right. Honest, future opponents. Count on it.
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I found a bug the other day that I neglected to document and now can't remember exactly what it was. Could you fix it please?Robert K S wrote: ↑Mon Aug 17, 2020 4:55 am Oh, please speak up about all Archive bugs, of course. But maybe so as not to bore everyone here, e-mail or PM me through any of the usual channels.
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I added 12/27/95: http://www.j-archive.com/showgame.php?game_id=6809
Player pic of Parma Holt who played Dave Tucker and Jerry Platzman:
To complete the 1995-B set - player pics of Ange Cardinali and Nola Wegman:
Parma bet big on THE BIBLE though not big enough to get the necessary lock.
What a silly FJ! clue for an important game to decide a finalist.
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Going through these games of December 1995 I was reminded of this constantly-played trailer moment that was unavoidable back then: The casting seemed off at first glance, yet when I saw the movie it was impressive to see that Hopkins pulled it off successfully.
Player pic of Parma Holt who played Dave Tucker and Jerry Platzman:
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What a silly FJ! clue for an important game to decide a finalist.
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Going through these games of December 1995 I was reminded of this constantly-played trailer moment that was unavoidable back then: The casting seemed off at first glance, yet when I saw the movie it was impressive to see that Hopkins pulled it off successfully.
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Credit yourself immediatelyopusthepenguin wrote: ↑Mon Aug 17, 2020 11:33 am A quick check suggests I may have a case for my alternate response on DJ22 LAW $600: Under former laws, it was a person who settled on public land to acquire its titleSpoiler
Steve's response of "squatter" was accepted. Were they prepared for my response of "homesteader"? Yea or nay, judges? If yea, would I have gotten credit through immediate acceptance or later reversal?
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'Former' was likely their attempt to pin it since all Homestead acts have expired, while squatters still have rights today in various ways (I'll leave it to someone more motivated to dig up details as well as public/private distinctions)
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Should “black” be capitalized in DJ6? (Just a question, not a correction suggestion. I didn’t know what the policy was on that).
Maybe the 2A wasn’t front page news as much as it is now, but how is DJ11 a TS and why is it at the bottom to begin with?
Maybe the 2A wasn’t front page news as much as it is now, but how is DJ11 a TS and why is it at the bottom to begin with?
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So, here's what a lot of the major editorial organizations are deciding as of 2019/2020, and some opinion regarding lack of consensus with regards to symmetry. What is beyond contention is that as a rule of widespread adoption this is relatively new and calls into question what the policy should be with regard to going back and editing old clues, which followed the old convention of not capitalizing "black".
https://www.cjr.org/analysis/capital-b- ... eguide.php
https://apnews.com/7e36c00c5af0436abc09e051261fff1f
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/05/insi ... black.html
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archi ... te/613159/
https://apnews.com/a6176d23ae017222878090abc8b01735
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions ... ck-is-win/
https://www.brookings.edu/research/broo ... izesblack/
https://www.poynter.org/reporting-editi ... -in-white/
https://www.cjr.org/analysis/capital-b- ... eguide.php
https://apnews.com/7e36c00c5af0436abc09e051261fff1f
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/05/insi ... black.html
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archi ... te/613159/
https://apnews.com/a6176d23ae017222878090abc8b01735
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions ... ck-is-win/
https://www.brookings.edu/research/broo ... izesblack/
https://www.poynter.org/reporting-editi ... -in-white/
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Is there a "simple" way of combing the database on the back-end and then eyeballing which need to be changed and which don't?Robert K S wrote: ↑Mon Aug 17, 2020 4:27 pm what the policy should be with regard to going back and editing old clues, which followed the old convention of not capitalizing "black".
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I added 12/28/95: http://www.j-archive.com/showgame.php?game_id=6810
Player pics of Phyllis Clark, Jerry Platzman and David Cuneo has been posted recently.
That's all I have of 1995-B Seniors although I hope to possibly turn up QF1 somewhere.
Tomorrow I will start on the kingskip 5.
Player pics of Phyllis Clark, Jerry Platzman and David Cuneo has been posted recently.
That's all I have of 1995-B Seniors although I hope to possibly turn up QF1 somewhere.
Tomorrow I will start on the kingskip 5.
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Thank you for the information. I was unaware of the style change, although it seems to be fairly recent based on the dates in a couple of the articles I read.
It seems like trying to go back and changing it would be problematic given that the word probably occurs a bunch in reference to the color rather than a race of people.
It seems like trying to go back and changing it would be problematic given that the word probably occurs a bunch in reference to the color rather than a race of people.